11-06-2021, 07:25 AM
Allen, O’Doul, Pierce, Kaat, Boyer, Minoso.
Outside Topic Giants/Niners 2021 thread
11-06-2021, 08:01 AM
(11-05-2021, 11:48 PM)Giants Wrote: Lefty O’Doul is up for HOF consideration….
https://baseballhall.org/news/era-commit...sideration
Of the Golden Era nominees, who should (if any) receive the necessary 75%?
Dick Allen
Ken Boyer
Gil Hodges
Jim Kaat
Roger Maris
Minnie Minoso
Danny Murtaugh
Tony Olivia
Billy Pierce
Maury Wills
ODoul
Oliva
Allen
Maris
Minoso
(11-05-2021, 11:48 PM)Giants Wrote: Lefty O’Doul is up for HOF consideration….
https://baseballhall.org/news/era-commit...sideration
Of the Golden Era nominees, who should (if any) receive the necessary 75%?
Dick Allen
Ken Boyer
Gil Hodges
Jim Kaat
Roger Maris
Minnie Minoso
Danny Murtaugh
Tony Olivia
Billy Pierce
Maury Wills
ODoul
Oliva
Allen
Maris
Minoso
11-06-2021, 08:31 AM
Pierce 211-169, 3.27 and most of his career with the White Sox... hitless wonders.
11-06-2021, 01:28 PM
11-06-2021, 03:09 PM
Jim Kaat, 283 wins but then again a few of you guys don't recognize wins, just WHIP and GETTING WHIPPED.
11-06-2021, 09:58 PM
I tried out for the Gold Gloves. Got my azz kicked. Tough kid from the Mission.
11-08-2021, 06:33 AM
Giants give Brandon Belt qualifying offer, bring back Wilmer Flores, drop Johnny Cueto https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/giant...599847.php
Hope all can read
Flores coming back
Belt gets $18M qualifying offer however we need to sign him to a longer contract
Hope all can read
Flores coming back
Belt gets $18M qualifying offer however we need to sign him to a longer contract
Giants give Brandon Belt qualifying offer, bring back Wilmer Flores, drop Johnny Cueto https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/giant...599847.php
Hope all can read
Flores coming back
Belt gets $18M qualifying offer however we need to sign him to a longer contract
Hope all can read
Flores coming back
Belt gets $18M qualifying offer however we need to sign him to a longer contract
I know that Posey retired and therefore forfeits the $22 million club option for 2022. But do the Giants still have to pay the $3 million buyout if they bring back Posey in another role in the organization? I would assume not...
As for the payroll status, as near as I can tell, here's the Giants 2022 luxury tax situation, assuming a $210 million/team tax threshold (yes, I know it's not set in stone). Stats from Spotrac:
Active payroll, $83 mms. (assumes deferred payroll, $4 mms. which counts against 2022,j Posey at $0 and Belt at $18 mms.). Total current tax allocations and obligations are $86,315,300 leaving approximate cap space of $123, 684,700.
As for the payroll status, as near as I can tell, here's the Giants 2022 luxury tax situation, assuming a $210 million/team tax threshold (yes, I know it's not set in stone). Stats from Spotrac:
Active payroll, $83 mms. (assumes deferred payroll, $4 mms. which counts against 2022,j Posey at $0 and Belt at $18 mms.). Total current tax allocations and obligations are $86,315,300 leaving approximate cap space of $123, 684,700.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
I know that Posey retired and therefore forfeits the $22 million club option for 2022. But do the Giants still have to pay the $3 million buyout if they bring back Posey in another role in the organization? I would assume not...
As for the payroll status, as near as I can tell, here's the Giants 2022 luxury tax situation, assuming a $210 million/team tax threshold (yes, I know it's not set in stone). Stats from Spotrac:
Active payroll, $83 mms. (assumes deferred payroll, $4 mms. which counts against 2022,j Posey at $0 and Belt at $18 mms.). Total current tax allocations and obligations are $86,315,300 leaving approximate cap space of $123, 684,700.
As for the payroll status, as near as I can tell, here's the Giants 2022 luxury tax situation, assuming a $210 million/team tax threshold (yes, I know it's not set in stone). Stats from Spotrac:
Active payroll, $83 mms. (assumes deferred payroll, $4 mms. which counts against 2022,j Posey at $0 and Belt at $18 mms.). Total current tax allocations and obligations are $86,315,300 leaving approximate cap space of $123, 684,700.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
11-08-2021, 07:12 PM
(11-06-2021, 03:09 PM)Phogge Wrote: Jim Kaat, 283 wins but then again a few of you guys don't recognize wins, just WHIP and GETTING WHIPPED.
What about losses? Kaat was a starter for twenty seasons and lost 237 games, meaning that on average his record was 14-12 each season.
He pitched for 25 years overall and received Cy Young votes in exactly one season. During the first decade of his career, voters (two per city) could only list one pitcher on the ballot, thereafter they could list three pitchers per ballot (with a 5-3-1 point system). In 1975 Kaat received seven third place votes from 24 voters. The other 24 seasons not a single voter considered him as the top (or one of the top three) pitchers in the league.
I will dispense with the advanced metrics that are telling, but even standard statistics (3.45 career ERA in one of the lowest scoring eras in baseball history) are not kind. He was a good pitcher and great fielder and he played for a long time.
(11-06-2021, 03:09 PM)Phogge Wrote: Jim Kaat, 283 wins but then again a few of you guys don't recognize wins, just WHIP and GETTING WHIPPED.
What about losses? Kaat was a starter for twenty seasons and lost 237 games, meaning that on average his record was 14-12 each season.
He pitched for 25 years overall and received Cy Young votes in exactly one season. During the first decade of his career, voters (two per city) could only list one pitcher on the ballot, thereafter they could list three pitchers per ballot (with a 5-3-1 point system). In 1975 Kaat received seven third place votes from 24 voters. The other 24 seasons not a single voter considered him as the top (or one of the top three) pitchers in the league.
I will dispense with the advanced metrics that are telling, but even standard statistics (3.45 career ERA in one of the lowest scoring eras in baseball history) are not kind. He was a good pitcher and great fielder and he played for a long time.
11-09-2021, 09:30 AM
(11-08-2021, 09:20 AM)Mick Wrote: I know that Posey retired and therefore forfeits the $22 million club option for 2022. But do the Giants still have to pay the $3 million buyout if they bring back Posey in another role in the organization? I would assume not...
As for the payroll status, as near as I can tell, here's the Giants 2022 luxury tax situation, assuming a $210 million/team tax threshold (yes, I know it's not set in stone). Stats from Spotrac:
Active payroll, $83 mms. (assumes deferred payroll, $4 mms. which counts against 2022,j Posey at $0 and Belt at $18 mms.). Total current tax allocations and obligations are $86,315,300 leaving approximate cap space of $123, 684,700.
Time for owners to open the vault. I truly don’t want to hear that they lost out on someone that Zaidi wants because of money concerns.
(11-08-2021, 09:20 AM)Mick Wrote: I know that Posey retired and therefore forfeits the $22 million club option for 2022. But do the Giants still have to pay the $3 million buyout if they bring back Posey in another role in the organization? I would assume not...
As for the payroll status, as near as I can tell, here's the Giants 2022 luxury tax situation, assuming a $210 million/team tax threshold (yes, I know it's not set in stone). Stats from Spotrac:
Active payroll, $83 mms. (assumes deferred payroll, $4 mms. which counts against 2022,j Posey at $0 and Belt at $18 mms.). Total current tax allocations and obligations are $86,315,300 leaving approximate cap space of $123, 684,700.
Time for owners to open the vault. I truly don’t want to hear that they lost out on someone that Zaidi wants because of money concerns.
(11-09-2021, 09:30 AM)lex24 Wrote:(11-08-2021, 09:20 AM)Mick Wrote: I know that Posey retired and therefore forfeits the $22 million club option for 2022. But do the Giants still have to pay the $3 million buyout if they bring back Posey in another role in the organization? I would assume not...
As for the payroll status, as near as I can tell, here's the Giants 2022 luxury tax situation, assuming a $210 million/team tax threshold (yes, I know it's not set in stone). Stats from Spotrac:
Active payroll, $83 mms. (assumes deferred payroll, $4 mms. which counts against 2022,j Posey at $0 and Belt at $18 mms.). Total current tax allocations and obligations are $86,315,300 leaving approximate cap space of $123, 684,700.
Time for owners to open the vault. I truly don’t want to hear that they lost out on someone that Zaidi wants because of money concerns.
I prefer a prudent, conservative approach. Spending money and “winning the hot stove” is meaningless unless it produces wins next summer. San Diego found out the hard way that spending tons of money does not necessarily results in more wins. In other words, chasing high dollar free agents is generally a fool’s errand (see Stanton - I was thrilled when he chose New York).
The best approach - signing free agents who can compliment the existing group of players and fit into the culture of the team.
I expect to see a couple starting pitchers sign. Scherzer and Verlander? I hope not. How about Stroman and Wacha along with retaining Gausman?
(11-09-2021, 09:30 AM)lex24 Wrote:(11-08-2021, 09:20 AM)Mick Wrote: I know that Posey retired and therefore forfeits the $22 million club option for 2022. But do the Giants still have to pay the $3 million buyout if they bring back Posey in another role in the organization? I would assume not...
As for the payroll status, as near as I can tell, here's the Giants 2022 luxury tax situation, assuming a $210 million/team tax threshold (yes, I know it's not set in stone). Stats from Spotrac:
Active payroll, $83 mms. (assumes deferred payroll, $4 mms. which counts against 2022,j Posey at $0 and Belt at $18 mms.). Total current tax allocations and obligations are $86,315,300 leaving approximate cap space of $123, 684,700.
Time for owners to open the vault. I truly don’t want to hear that they lost out on someone that Zaidi wants because of money concerns.
I prefer a prudent, conservative approach. Spending money and “winning the hot stove” is meaningless unless it produces wins next summer. San Diego found out the hard way that spending tons of money does not necessarily results in more wins. In other words, chasing high dollar free agents is generally a fool’s errand (see Stanton - I was thrilled when he chose New York).
The best approach - signing free agents who can compliment the existing group of players and fit into the culture of the team.
I expect to see a couple starting pitchers sign. Scherzer and Verlander? I hope not. How about Stroman and Wacha along with retaining Gausman?
11-09-2021, 12:36 PM
(11-09-2021, 10:59 AM)Giants Wrote:(11-09-2021, 09:30 AM)lex24 Wrote:(11-08-2021, 09:20 AM)Mick Wrote: I know that Posey retired and therefore forfeits the $22 million club option for 2022. But do the Giants still have to pay the $3 million buyout if they bring back Posey in another role in the organization? I would assume not...
As for the payroll status, as near as I can tell, here's the Giants 2022 luxury tax situation, assuming a $210 million/team tax threshold (yes, I know it's not set in stone). Stats from Spotrac:
Active payroll, $83 mms. (assumes deferred payroll, $4 mms. which counts against 2022,j Posey at $0 and Belt at $18 mms.). Total current tax allocations and obligations are $86,315,300 leaving approximate cap space of $123, 684,700.
Time for owners to open the vault. I truly don’t want to hear that they lost out on someone that Zaidi wants because of money concerns.
I prefer a prudent, conservative approach. Spending money and “winning the hot stove” is meaningless unless it produces wins next summer. San Diego found out the hard way that spending tons of money does not necessarily results in more wins. In other words, chasing high dollar free agents is generally a fool’s errand (see Stanton - I was thrilled when he chose New York).
The best approach - signing free agents who can compliment the existing group of players and fit into the culture of the team.
I expect to see a couple starting pitchers sign. Scherzer and Verlander? I hope not. How about Stroman and Wacha along with retaining Gausman?
You use the Padres as an example. I use the Dodgers. I trust Zaidi to use money wisely. I just want him to be given plenty of it. Why would any fan want anything different? It ain’t our money.
Obviously he will have a budget. If paying X to someone means he can’t do other things that he wants to do, then of course I’d expect him to bow out of the negotiations for X. BUT, I don’t want his hands tied.
What the Giants achieved this year is remarkable. But ultimately not sustainable. Along with all the bargain picks, I want them to sign a whale or two.
As for Scherzer and Verlander, probably “no” cause of age and injuries (I wonder if Scherzers issue was and is more than a “tired arm”). Although at the end of the day, how much and for how long. If I can get Verlander cheap, for example, maybe I take a flyer.
Sure - sign Gausman, Wacha and Stroman. Resign Belt. (I expect he will reject the QO) Add Semien and Marte. That would be a great off season….
Finally, on the Padres - this year was a train wreck. But let’s see what they do in ‘22 with a good manager at the helm. They have their high payroll core back. And I expect them to be players this off season.
(11-09-2021, 10:59 AM)Giants Wrote:(11-09-2021, 09:30 AM)lex24 Wrote:(11-08-2021, 09:20 AM)Mick Wrote: I know that Posey retired and therefore forfeits the $22 million club option for 2022. But do the Giants still have to pay the $3 million buyout if they bring back Posey in another role in the organization? I would assume not...
As for the payroll status, as near as I can tell, here's the Giants 2022 luxury tax situation, assuming a $210 million/team tax threshold (yes, I know it's not set in stone). Stats from Spotrac:
Active payroll, $83 mms. (assumes deferred payroll, $4 mms. which counts against 2022,j Posey at $0 and Belt at $18 mms.). Total current tax allocations and obligations are $86,315,300 leaving approximate cap space of $123, 684,700.
Time for owners to open the vault. I truly don’t want to hear that they lost out on someone that Zaidi wants because of money concerns.
I prefer a prudent, conservative approach. Spending money and “winning the hot stove” is meaningless unless it produces wins next summer. San Diego found out the hard way that spending tons of money does not necessarily results in more wins. In other words, chasing high dollar free agents is generally a fool’s errand (see Stanton - I was thrilled when he chose New York).
The best approach - signing free agents who can compliment the existing group of players and fit into the culture of the team.
I expect to see a couple starting pitchers sign. Scherzer and Verlander? I hope not. How about Stroman and Wacha along with retaining Gausman?
You use the Padres as an example. I use the Dodgers. I trust Zaidi to use money wisely. I just want him to be given plenty of it. Why would any fan want anything different? It ain’t our money.
Obviously he will have a budget. If paying X to someone means he can’t do other things that he wants to do, then of course I’d expect him to bow out of the negotiations for X. BUT, I don’t want his hands tied.
What the Giants achieved this year is remarkable. But ultimately not sustainable. Along with all the bargain picks, I want them to sign a whale or two.
As for Scherzer and Verlander, probably “no” cause of age and injuries (I wonder if Scherzers issue was and is more than a “tired arm”). Although at the end of the day, how much and for how long. If I can get Verlander cheap, for example, maybe I take a flyer.
Sure - sign Gausman, Wacha and Stroman. Resign Belt. (I expect he will reject the QO) Add Semien and Marte. That would be a great off season….
Finally, on the Padres - this year was a train wreck. But let’s see what they do in ‘22 with a good manager at the helm. They have their high payroll core back. And I expect them to be players this off season.
11-10-2021, 08:59 AM
Interesting article on Giants and As maybe being trade partners. Manea. Montez Bassit. They all would look good in orange and black. A’s may be in full dump mode. Watch the Dodgers or Pads trade for Olson.
(11-10-2021, 08:59 AM)lex24 Wrote: Interesting article on Giants and As maybe being trade partners. Manea. Montez Bassit. They all would look good in orange and black. A’s may be in full dump mode. Watch the Dodgers or Pads trade for Olson.
They Yankees have been linked to Olson. They have more prospects to offer Oakland than SD or LA.
Given Zaidi’s work history with the Oakland front office, I think we may see a deal between the A’s and Giants. They have not had a player for player trade since 1990 (Pedro Pena and Darren Lewis for Ernest Riles).
(11-10-2021, 08:59 AM)lex24 Wrote: Interesting article on Giants and As maybe being trade partners. Manea. Montez Bassit. They all would look good in orange and black. A’s may be in full dump mode. Watch the Dodgers or Pads trade for Olson.
They Yankees have been linked to Olson. They have more prospects to offer Oakland than SD or LA.
Given Zaidi’s work history with the Oakland front office, I think we may see a deal between the A’s and Giants. They have not had a player for player trade since 1990 (Pedro Pena and Darren Lewis for Ernest Riles).
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