07-14-2022, 12:40 PM
Jake McGee released today.
Outside Topic 2022 Giants thread
07-15-2022, 08:22 AM
The relievers are being overworked. Apparently they don’t think the starters at Sacto are worth a damn.
Cobb and Wood at best are long in the tooth baseball wise. If Rodon goes then Farhan has a huuuuuge job of rebuilding the rotation for next year.
Plus you have an old Longoria, a brittle Belt, an IL perpetual in LaStella and an automatic out in Wade with Crawford out of touch at bat.
So what do you have going forward. Not much, with your best prospects not ready yet. And the Dodgers solid for years to come. Time to rebuild and that means spending money including at least matching Rodon’s best offer in the off season.
So I guess Lex wins the argument.
Cobb and Wood at best are long in the tooth baseball wise. If Rodon goes then Farhan has a huuuuuge job of rebuilding the rotation for next year.
Plus you have an old Longoria, a brittle Belt, an IL perpetual in LaStella and an automatic out in Wade with Crawford out of touch at bat.
So what do you have going forward. Not much, with your best prospects not ready yet. And the Dodgers solid for years to come. Time to rebuild and that means spending money including at least matching Rodon’s best offer in the off season.
So I guess Lex wins the argument.
The relievers are being overworked. Apparently they don’t think the starters at Sacto are worth a damn.
Cobb and Wood at best are long in the tooth baseball wise. If Rodon goes then Farhan has a huuuuuge job of rebuilding the rotation for next year.
Plus you have an old Longoria, a brittle Belt, an IL perpetual in LaStella and an automatic out in Wade with Crawford out of touch at bat.
So what do you have going forward. Not much, with your best prospects not ready yet. And the Dodgers solid for years to come. Time to rebuild and that means spending money including at least matching Rodon’s best offer in the off season.
So I guess Lex wins the argument.
Cobb and Wood at best are long in the tooth baseball wise. If Rodon goes then Farhan has a huuuuuge job of rebuilding the rotation for next year.
Plus you have an old Longoria, a brittle Belt, an IL perpetual in LaStella and an automatic out in Wade with Crawford out of touch at bat.
So what do you have going forward. Not much, with your best prospects not ready yet. And the Dodgers solid for years to come. Time to rebuild and that means spending money including at least matching Rodon’s best offer in the off season.
So I guess Lex wins the argument.
07-15-2022, 08:46 AM
The best way to re-build is to trade your best assets on expiring contracts for prospects and then re-sign them as free agents in the off season.
Does anyone know when Marco Luciano will return to playing?
Does anyone know when Marco Luciano will return to playing?
The best way to re-build is to trade your best assets on expiring contracts for prospects and then re-sign them as free agents in the off season.
Does anyone know when Marco Luciano will return to playing?
Does anyone know when Marco Luciano will return to playing?
07-15-2022, 06:13 PM
Nope. The best way to rebuild is to have multiple prospects in your system and some at AAA who are ready to contribute.
Plus don't sign FA's who are over the hill or are always hurt( Cobb, LaStella). OF, you are a broken record. Trade away everybody, every year.
Plus don't sign FA's who are over the hill or are always hurt( Cobb, LaStella). OF, you are a broken record. Trade away everybody, every year.
07-15-2022, 11:44 PM
(07-15-2022, 11:16 PM)old spanish trail Wrote: Amazing bottom of the ninth.
That was the best, most entertaining bottom-of-the-ninth inning I've ever seen. I watched it twice in its entirety, and frankly, baseball bores me a little bit these days. If you can, watch the entire ninth inning. It's the most exciting inning I've seen, maybe ever.
Giants entered the 9th inning down 5-2. The pitcher was three time Reliever of the year, four-time All-Star Josh Hader. In his career, he had never given up more than three runs in a single inning.
First batter Joey Bart. Home run to left. Score 5-3. Second batter Flores flies out. 3rd batter Darren Ruf home run to CF, score 5-4. 4th batter Slater solid single to right. That was Slater's 4th hit of the game. Slater almost picked off, steals second. 5th batter Mercedes reaches first, hit by pitch. 6th batter Thairo Estrada pops up, but it lands safely between three guys.
Bases are loaded, one out.
Mike Yastrzemski up. Fans are going bananas. I figure any pitch below his waist, he's giving it a ride.
Grand. Slam. Home. Run. Walk off win, 8-5.
Stanford's very own Austin Slater entered the game hitting .279, left the game hitting .297. If he had enough ABs, he'd be #23 in the NL. As it is, he's the team leader in average and on base percentage by a margin and is third in OPS.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
(07-15-2022, 11:16 PM)old spanish trail Wrote: Amazing bottom of the ninth.
That was the best, most entertaining bottom-of-the-ninth inning I've ever seen. I watched it twice in its entirety, and frankly, baseball bores me a little bit these days. If you can, watch the entire ninth inning. It's the most exciting inning I've seen, maybe ever.
Giants entered the 9th inning down 5-2. The pitcher was three time Reliever of the year, four-time All-Star Josh Hader. In his career, he had never given up more than three runs in a single inning.
First batter Joey Bart. Home run to left. Score 5-3. Second batter Flores flies out. 3rd batter Darren Ruf home run to CF, score 5-4. 4th batter Slater solid single to right. That was Slater's 4th hit of the game. Slater almost picked off, steals second. 5th batter Mercedes reaches first, hit by pitch. 6th batter Thairo Estrada pops up, but it lands safely between three guys.
Bases are loaded, one out.
Mike Yastrzemski up. Fans are going bananas. I figure any pitch below his waist, he's giving it a ride.
Grand. Slam. Home. Run. Walk off win, 8-5.
Stanford's very own Austin Slater entered the game hitting .279, left the game hitting .297. If he had enough ABs, he'd be #23 in the NL. As it is, he's the team leader in average and on base percentage by a margin and is third in OPS.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
The greatest bottom of the ninth ever?
May 5, 1958 at Seals Stadium….
Pittsburgh led 11-1 and SF scored nine runs to close the gap to 11-10 before losing the game. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that either Bob K. or Phogge were at that game. I was home listening on the radio.
May 5, 1958 at Seals Stadium….
Pittsburgh led 11-1 and SF scored nine runs to close the gap to 11-10 before losing the game. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that either Bob K. or Phogge were at that game. I was home listening on the radio.
The greatest bottom of the ninth ever?
May 5, 1958 at Seals Stadium….
Pittsburgh led 11-1 and SF scored nine runs to close the gap to 11-10 before losing the game. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that either Bob K. or Phogge were at that game. I was home listening on the radio.
May 5, 1958 at Seals Stadium….
Pittsburgh led 11-1 and SF scored nine runs to close the gap to 11-10 before losing the game. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that either Bob K. or Phogge were at that game. I was home listening on the radio.
07-16-2022, 07:04 AM
Giants, I had just gotten back from school and listened to every possible inning of that season. When the game went into the bottom of the ninth I had to hit the head. Radio on in the kitchen. Left the door open. As hit after hit happened I would not leave the throne. Seemed like an hour but I wouldn’t break the string. Jablonski might have gotten two hits in the ninth.
Then Don Taussig popped out. What an inning.
Then Don Taussig popped out. What an inning.
Giants, I had just gotten back from school and listened to every possible inning of that season. When the game went into the bottom of the ninth I had to hit the head. Radio on in the kitchen. Left the door open. As hit after hit happened I would not leave the throne. Seemed like an hour but I wouldn’t break the string. Jablonski might have gotten two hits in the ninth.
Then Don Taussig popped out. What an inning.
Then Don Taussig popped out. What an inning.
07-16-2022, 07:22 AM
(This post was last modified: 07-16-2022, 07:29 AM by OutsiderFan.)
I don't know if any of you saw Mike Yastrzemski interviewed after his walk-off Grand Slam, but he said something that I found as remarkable as the 9th inning rise from the ashes.
Joey Bart, rookie Catcher who had been sent down to minors in June because he was struggling so much before returning in July, was the player in the dugout who called out his teammates to not give up when the Giants were down earlier in the game. It wasn't Brandon Belt, AKA, The Captain. It wasn't Brandon Crawford, the stalwart for the last decade. It was just back from minors Joey Bart. Anyone who knows about the dynamics of teams knows how only the best players call out the entire team when it is struggling. Part of being a player who can do this is being one who can actually make the plays needed to bring a team back to win.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who has noticed Bart has been much improved since his return. In July he's had 22 ABs and in them he's slashing .318/.400/.682. Obviously this is a small sample size, but it's not like this is Bart's first time playing for the Giants. He's clearly made adjustments and figured some things out that he probably hadn't even in April, when he had a solid .792 OPS and perhaps not coincidentally, the Giants were winning at a .667 clip.
For a player to stand up and lead the team when down demonstrates confidence, because they know they can't be taken seriously if they don't perform when calling out their team to not give up. But - and this is the most important part - they not only must have the confidence that they can perform, they have to be unafraid of looking foolish if they don't perform after calling out the team. So with the confidence to perform, and unafraid to look dumb if he failed to deliver, Bart hit a HR to start the crazy 9th inning comeback off an All Star closer. That is a leader, who you want your Catcher to be, and has to give Joey Bart supreme confidence in himself.
That July 15th night at 3rd & King may be looked back on as a significant milestone for Joey Bart and the Giants. It might have just become Joey Bart's team.
Joey Bart, rookie Catcher who had been sent down to minors in June because he was struggling so much before returning in July, was the player in the dugout who called out his teammates to not give up when the Giants were down earlier in the game. It wasn't Brandon Belt, AKA, The Captain. It wasn't Brandon Crawford, the stalwart for the last decade. It was just back from minors Joey Bart. Anyone who knows about the dynamics of teams knows how only the best players call out the entire team when it is struggling. Part of being a player who can do this is being one who can actually make the plays needed to bring a team back to win.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who has noticed Bart has been much improved since his return. In July he's had 22 ABs and in them he's slashing .318/.400/.682. Obviously this is a small sample size, but it's not like this is Bart's first time playing for the Giants. He's clearly made adjustments and figured some things out that he probably hadn't even in April, when he had a solid .792 OPS and perhaps not coincidentally, the Giants were winning at a .667 clip.
For a player to stand up and lead the team when down demonstrates confidence, because they know they can't be taken seriously if they don't perform when calling out their team to not give up. But - and this is the most important part - they not only must have the confidence that they can perform, they have to be unafraid of looking foolish if they don't perform after calling out the team. So with the confidence to perform, and unafraid to look dumb if he failed to deliver, Bart hit a HR to start the crazy 9th inning comeback off an All Star closer. That is a leader, who you want your Catcher to be, and has to give Joey Bart supreme confidence in himself.
That July 15th night at 3rd & King may be looked back on as a significant milestone for Joey Bart and the Giants. It might have just become Joey Bart's team.
(This post was last modified: 07-16-2022, 07:29 AM by OutsiderFan.)
I don't know if any of you saw Mike Yastrzemski interviewed after his walk-off Grand Slam, but he said something that I found as remarkable as the 9th inning rise from the ashes.
Joey Bart, rookie Catcher who had been sent down to minors in June because he was struggling so much before returning in July, was the player in the dugout who called out his teammates to not give up when the Giants were down earlier in the game. It wasn't Brandon Belt, AKA, The Captain. It wasn't Brandon Crawford, the stalwart for the last decade. It was just back from minors Joey Bart. Anyone who knows about the dynamics of teams knows how only the best players call out the entire team when it is struggling. Part of being a player who can do this is being one who can actually make the plays needed to bring a team back to win.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who has noticed Bart has been much improved since his return. In July he's had 22 ABs and in them he's slashing .318/.400/.682. Obviously this is a small sample size, but it's not like this is Bart's first time playing for the Giants. He's clearly made adjustments and figured some things out that he probably hadn't even in April, when he had a solid .792 OPS and perhaps not coincidentally, the Giants were winning at a .667 clip.
For a player to stand up and lead the team when down demonstrates confidence, because they know they can't be taken seriously if they don't perform when calling out their team to not give up. But - and this is the most important part - they not only must have the confidence that they can perform, they have to be unafraid of looking foolish if they don't perform after calling out the team. So with the confidence to perform, and unafraid to look dumb if he failed to deliver, Bart hit a HR to start the crazy 9th inning comeback off an All Star closer. That is a leader, who you want your Catcher to be, and has to give Joey Bart supreme confidence in himself.
That July 15th night at 3rd & King may be looked back on as a significant milestone for Joey Bart and the Giants. It might have just become Joey Bart's team.
Joey Bart, rookie Catcher who had been sent down to minors in June because he was struggling so much before returning in July, was the player in the dugout who called out his teammates to not give up when the Giants were down earlier in the game. It wasn't Brandon Belt, AKA, The Captain. It wasn't Brandon Crawford, the stalwart for the last decade. It was just back from minors Joey Bart. Anyone who knows about the dynamics of teams knows how only the best players call out the entire team when it is struggling. Part of being a player who can do this is being one who can actually make the plays needed to bring a team back to win.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who has noticed Bart has been much improved since his return. In July he's had 22 ABs and in them he's slashing .318/.400/.682. Obviously this is a small sample size, but it's not like this is Bart's first time playing for the Giants. He's clearly made adjustments and figured some things out that he probably hadn't even in April, when he had a solid .792 OPS and perhaps not coincidentally, the Giants were winning at a .667 clip.
For a player to stand up and lead the team when down demonstrates confidence, because they know they can't be taken seriously if they don't perform when calling out their team to not give up. But - and this is the most important part - they not only must have the confidence that they can perform, they have to be unafraid of looking foolish if they don't perform after calling out the team. So with the confidence to perform, and unafraid to look dumb if he failed to deliver, Bart hit a HR to start the crazy 9th inning comeback off an All Star closer. That is a leader, who you want your Catcher to be, and has to give Joey Bart supreme confidence in himself.
That July 15th night at 3rd & King may be looked back on as a significant milestone for Joey Bart and the Giants. It might have just become Joey Bart's team.
07-16-2022, 07:35 AM
And it means that they may not be in the hunt for Contreras. No prospects for a rental.
07-16-2022, 08:50 AM
Awesome 9th inning. Incredible as was Bart physically and mentally
We are in the hunt for a wild card
We are in the hunt for a wild card
07-16-2022, 09:56 AM
(07-16-2022, 12:03 AM)Giants Wrote: The greatest bottom of the ninth ever?
May 5, 1958 at Seals Stadium….
Pittsburgh led 11-1 and SF scored nine runs to close the gap to 11-10 before losing the game. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that either Bob K. or Phogge were at that game. I was home listening on the radio.
On the radio, I remember another 9th inning comeback against the Pirates in '73. Giants down 7-1 going into bottom of 9th. Walk-out-out-walk-walk, Chris Arnold PH grand slam to make it 7-5 with 2 outs. Then they got the bases loaded and Bobby Bonds comes through with a walkoff bases-loaded double. I think Bonds got the walk leading off that inning and also the walkoff hit.
Of course my friends and I were pretty far gone at that point, but I'm damn sure it really happened!
(07-16-2022, 12:03 AM)Giants Wrote: The greatest bottom of the ninth ever?
May 5, 1958 at Seals Stadium….
Pittsburgh led 11-1 and SF scored nine runs to close the gap to 11-10 before losing the game. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that either Bob K. or Phogge were at that game. I was home listening on the radio.
On the radio, I remember another 9th inning comeback against the Pirates in '73. Giants down 7-1 going into bottom of 9th. Walk-out-out-walk-walk, Chris Arnold PH grand slam to make it 7-5 with 2 outs. Then they got the bases loaded and Bobby Bonds comes through with a walkoff bases-loaded double. I think Bonds got the walk leading off that inning and also the walkoff hit.
Of course my friends and I were pretty far gone at that point, but I'm damn sure it really happened!
(07-16-2022, 09:56 AM)qwerty49 Wrote:(07-16-2022, 12:03 AM)Giants Wrote: The greatest bottom of the ninth ever?
May 5, 1958 at Seals Stadium….
Pittsburgh led 11-1 and SF scored nine runs to close the gap to 11-10 before losing the game. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that either Bob K. or Phogge were at that game. I was home listening on the radio.
On the radio, I remember another 9th inning comeback against the Pirates in '73. Giants down 7-1 going into bottom of 9th. Walk-out-out-walk-walk, Chris Arnold PH grand slam to make it 7-5 with 2 outs. Then they got the bases loaded and Bobby Bonds comes through with a walkoff bases-loaded double. I think Bonds got the walk leading off that inning and also the walkoff hit.
Of course my friends and I were pretty far gone at that point, but I'm damn sure it really happened!
That was May 1, 1973. I was 10 years old and watched it on TV. Great game, just 7,972 fans. Not as good as last night, but a great game. Ron Bryant started, gave up four runs (two earned) in six innings, then Sudden Sam McDowell gave up two more earned runs in two innings, so Elias Sosa got the win after giving up one run in one innng. Gary Matthews was 2/4, McCovey was 2 for 3, and Bonds doubled in three runners to win the game 8-7. At the time, the Giants could hit...Bonds, Fuentes, Goodson and Matthews were all hitting over .300.
(07-16-2022, 07:22 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: I don't know if any of you saw Mike Yastrzemski interviewed after his walk-off Grand Slam, but he said something that I found as remarkable as the 9th inning rise from the ashes.
Joey Bart, rookie Catcher who had been sent down to minors in June because he was struggling so much before returning in July, was the player in the dugout who called out his teammates to not give up when the Giants were down earlier in the game. It wasn't Brandon Belt, AKA, The Captain. It wasn't Brandon Crawford, the stalwart for the last decade. It was just back from minors Joey Bart. Anyone who knows about the dynamics of teams knows how only the best players call out the entire team when it is struggling. Part of being a player who can do this is being one who can actually make the plays needed to bring a team back to win.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who has noticed Bart has been much improved since his return. In July he's had 22 ABs and in them he's slashing .318/.400/.682. Obviously this is a small sample size, but it's not like this is Bart's first time playing for the Giants. He's clearly made adjustments and figured some things out that he probably hadn't even in April, when he had a solid .792 OPS and perhaps not coincidentally, the Giants were winning at a .667 clip.
For a player to stand up and lead the team when down demonstrates confidence, because they know they can't be taken seriously if they don't perform when calling out their team to not give up. But - and this is the most important part - they not only must have the confidence that they can perform, they have to be unafraid of looking foolish if they don't perform after calling out the team. So with the confidence to perform, and unafraid to look dumb if he failed to deliver, Bart hit a HR to start the crazy 9th inning comeback off an All Star closer. That is a leader, who you want your Catcher to be, and has to give Joey Bart supreme confidence in himself.
That July 15th night at 3rd & King may be looked back on as a significant milestone for Joey Bart and the Giants. It might have just become Joey Bart's team.
The King is dead, long live the King!
Audaces fortuna iuvat
(07-16-2022, 09:56 AM)qwerty49 Wrote:(07-16-2022, 12:03 AM)Giants Wrote: The greatest bottom of the ninth ever?
May 5, 1958 at Seals Stadium….
Pittsburgh led 11-1 and SF scored nine runs to close the gap to 11-10 before losing the game. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that either Bob K. or Phogge were at that game. I was home listening on the radio.
On the radio, I remember another 9th inning comeback against the Pirates in '73. Giants down 7-1 going into bottom of 9th. Walk-out-out-walk-walk, Chris Arnold PH grand slam to make it 7-5 with 2 outs. Then they got the bases loaded and Bobby Bonds comes through with a walkoff bases-loaded double. I think Bonds got the walk leading off that inning and also the walkoff hit.
Of course my friends and I were pretty far gone at that point, but I'm damn sure it really happened!
That was May 1, 1973. I was 10 years old and watched it on TV. Great game, just 7,972 fans. Not as good as last night, but a great game. Ron Bryant started, gave up four runs (two earned) in six innings, then Sudden Sam McDowell gave up two more earned runs in two innings, so Elias Sosa got the win after giving up one run in one innng. Gary Matthews was 2/4, McCovey was 2 for 3, and Bonds doubled in three runners to win the game 8-7. At the time, the Giants could hit...Bonds, Fuentes, Goodson and Matthews were all hitting over .300.
(07-16-2022, 07:22 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: I don't know if any of you saw Mike Yastrzemski interviewed after his walk-off Grand Slam, but he said something that I found as remarkable as the 9th inning rise from the ashes.
Joey Bart, rookie Catcher who had been sent down to minors in June because he was struggling so much before returning in July, was the player in the dugout who called out his teammates to not give up when the Giants were down earlier in the game. It wasn't Brandon Belt, AKA, The Captain. It wasn't Brandon Crawford, the stalwart for the last decade. It was just back from minors Joey Bart. Anyone who knows about the dynamics of teams knows how only the best players call out the entire team when it is struggling. Part of being a player who can do this is being one who can actually make the plays needed to bring a team back to win.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who has noticed Bart has been much improved since his return. In July he's had 22 ABs and in them he's slashing .318/.400/.682. Obviously this is a small sample size, but it's not like this is Bart's first time playing for the Giants. He's clearly made adjustments and figured some things out that he probably hadn't even in April, when he had a solid .792 OPS and perhaps not coincidentally, the Giants were winning at a .667 clip.
For a player to stand up and lead the team when down demonstrates confidence, because they know they can't be taken seriously if they don't perform when calling out their team to not give up. But - and this is the most important part - they not only must have the confidence that they can perform, they have to be unafraid of looking foolish if they don't perform after calling out the team. So with the confidence to perform, and unafraid to look dumb if he failed to deliver, Bart hit a HR to start the crazy 9th inning comeback off an All Star closer. That is a leader, who you want your Catcher to be, and has to give Joey Bart supreme confidence in himself.
That July 15th night at 3rd & King may be looked back on as a significant milestone for Joey Bart and the Giants. It might have just become Joey Bart's team.
The King is dead, long live the King!
Audaces fortuna iuvat
07-16-2022, 01:33 PM
Juan Soto turned down $440 million over 15 years. He’s on the block. This will be interesting.
(07-16-2022, 01:33 PM)lex24 Wrote: Juan Soto turned down $440 million over 15 years. He’s on the block. This will be interesting.
Very interesting.
There are 15 players with an AAV of $30 million+. The offer made by Washington was too low. I wouldn’t trade for him unless I was certain I could sign him to an extension. In other words, no thanks.
(07-16-2022, 01:33 PM)lex24 Wrote: Juan Soto turned down $440 million over 15 years. He’s on the block. This will be interesting.
Very interesting.
There are 15 players with an AAV of $30 million+. The offer made by Washington was too low. I wouldn’t trade for him unless I was certain I could sign him to an extension. In other words, no thanks.
07-16-2022, 07:32 PM
Another great win although the network announcer didn’t like the balk call. Interesting the Brewers didn’t argue
07-16-2022, 10:53 PM
Interesting that the director had switched to a crowd cutaway when the balk happened so they missed it in real time. He moved his head simultaneously as he slid off the rubber. We were taught to step off and then bluff the runner. Separate moves. The ump, a great ump by the way, was quite emphatic and yes Bobbbbbb Counsel never squawked.
Interesting that the director had switched to a crowd cutaway when the balk happened so they missed it in real time. He moved his head simultaneously as he slid off the rubber. We were taught to step off and then bluff the runner. Separate moves. The ump, a great ump by the way, was quite emphatic and yes Bobbbbbb Counsel never squawked.
07-17-2022, 06:56 AM
07-17-2022, 08:35 AM
(07-16-2022, 02:30 PM)Giants Wrote:(07-16-2022, 01:33 PM)lex24 Wrote: Juan Soto turned down $440 million over 15 years. He’s on the block. This will be interesting.
Very interesting.
There are 15 players with an AAV of $30 million+. The offer made by Washington was too low. I wouldn’t trade for him unless I was certain I could sign him to an extension. In other words, no thanks.
Agree that you only trade for him if you have the extension in place. If you get that done, than whatever it takes. Don’t expect Giants to be in the mix. Unfortunately.
(07-16-2022, 02:30 PM)Giants Wrote:(07-16-2022, 01:33 PM)lex24 Wrote: Juan Soto turned down $440 million over 15 years. He’s on the block. This will be interesting.
Very interesting.
There are 15 players with an AAV of $30 million+. The offer made by Washington was too low. I wouldn’t trade for him unless I was certain I could sign him to an extension. In other words, no thanks.
Agree that you only trade for him if you have the extension in place. If you get that done, than whatever it takes. Don’t expect Giants to be in the mix. Unfortunately.
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