10-01-2023, 03:23 PM
All 5 TDs in the game by former Stanford players
Outside Topic 2023 Niners thread
10-01-2023, 03:25 PM
(10-01-2023, 03:23 PM)Griffins78 Wrote: All 5 TDs in the game by former Stanford players
I was thinking the same thing. McCaffrey and Wilson. Though the Stanford program is currently in the dumps, some of the products of years past are doing fine at the next level. Ertz is also still in the mix.
10-01-2023, 03:33 PM
Austroturf Wrote:6.Griffins78 Wrote:All 5 TDs in the game by former Stanford players
I was thinking the same thing. McCaffrey and Wilson. Though the Stanford program is currently in the dumps, some of the products of years past are doing fine at the next level. Ertz is also still in the mix.
Austroturf Wrote:6.Griffins78 Wrote:All 5 TDs in the game by former Stanford players
I was thinking the same thing. McCaffrey and Wilson. Though the Stanford program is currently in the dumps, some of the products of years past are doing fine at the next level. Ertz is also still in the mix.
10-01-2023, 03:34 PM
(10-01-2023, 03:33 PM)lex24 Wrote:Austroturf Wrote:6.Griffins78 Wrote:All 5 TDs in the game by former Stanford players
I was thinking the same thing. McCaffrey and Wilson. Though the Stanford program is currently in the dumps, some of the products of years past are doing fine at the next level. Ertz is also still in the mix.
4 TDs for CMac.
(10-01-2023, 03:33 PM)lex24 Wrote:Austroturf Wrote:6.Griffins78 Wrote:All 5 TDs in the game by former Stanford players
I was thinking the same thing. McCaffrey and Wilson. Though the Stanford program is currently in the dumps, some of the products of years past are doing fine at the next level. Ertz is also still in the mix.
4 TDs for CMac.
10-01-2023, 03:36 PM
10-01-2023, 04:16 PM
Almost another Stanford TD, but Ertz couldn't hold on.
Almost another Stanford TD, but Ertz couldn't hold on.
10-01-2023, 04:46 PM
CompSci87 Wrote:Almost another Stanford TD, but Ertz couldn't hold on.I wonder if any University has had 7 TD’s in one pro game. 6 for sure. Kansas. Gayle Sayers.
10-01-2023, 08:42 PM
Ernie Nevers also scored six touchdowns for the Chicago Cardinals when they defeated the Chicago Bears 40-6 on Thanksgiving Day, 1929. Unlike Sayers, Kumara and Dub Jones; Nevers also kicked four PATs, for a total of 40 points -- which is an NFL record that has stood for 84 years.
Bonus points if you can name the player who scored the six points for the Chicago Bears...
Bonus points if you can name the player who scored the six points for the Chicago Bears...
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Ernie Nevers also scored six touchdowns for the Chicago Cardinals when they defeated the Chicago Bears 40-6 on Thanksgiving Day, 1929. Unlike Sayers, Kumara and Dub Jones; Nevers also kicked four PATs, for a total of 40 points -- which is an NFL record that has stood for 84 years.
Bonus points if you can name the player who scored the six points for the Chicago Bears...
Bonus points if you can name the player who scored the six points for the Chicago Bears...
Audaces fortuna iuvat
10-02-2023, 01:24 AM
10-02-2023, 07:09 AM
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1696218122' Wrote: 1696218122[/url]']
Ernie Nevers also scored six touchdowns for the Chicago Cardinals when they defeated the Chicago Bears 40-6 on Thanksgiving Day, 1929. Unlike Sayers, Kumara and Dub Jones; Nevers also kicked four PATs, for a total of 40 points -- which is an NFL record that has stood for 84 years.
Bonus points if you can name the player who scored the six points for the Chicago Bears...
Bronco Nagurski.
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1696218122' Wrote: 1696218122[/url]']
Ernie Nevers also scored six touchdowns for the Chicago Cardinals when they defeated the Chicago Bears 40-6 on Thanksgiving Day, 1929. Unlike Sayers, Kumara and Dub Jones; Nevers also kicked four PATs, for a total of 40 points -- which is an NFL record that has stood for 84 years.
Bonus points if you can name the player who scored the six points for the Chicago Bears...
Bronco Nagurski.
(10-02-2023, 07:09 AM)lex24 Wrote:Mick dateline='[url=tel:1696218122' Wrote: 1696218122[/url]']
Ernie Nevers also scored six touchdowns for the Chicago Cardinals when they defeated the Chicago Bears 40-6 on Thanksgiving Day, 1929. Unlike Sayers, Kumara and Dub Jones; Nevers also kicked four PATs, for a total of 40 points -- which is an NFL record that has stood for 84 years.
Bonus points if you can name the player who scored the six points for the Chicago Bears...
Bronco Nagurski.
Gardie Grange, on a 60 yard pass from QB Walt Holmer. Gardie, or "Pinkie" was Red Grange's brother, also a pretty good football player out of Illinois. Red was on the same Bears team in 1929, and they played a 17 game schedule...won their first ten, lost their last seven.
Pro Football Journal: Remembering Garland Grange: Red Grange's Brother (nflfootballjournal.blogspot.com)
Thanks to Ernie Nevers, the Cardinals were third in the 12-team league in scoring. The Packers went undefeated, and finished first in scoring. Ernie led the NL in scoring with 85 points. 12 TDs, 10 extra points and one field goal.
1929 NFL Scoring Summary | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Ernie Nevers Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Niners are currently favored over the Cowboys by 3.0 to 3.5, depending on the site. Niners have knocked the Cowboys out of the playoffs in both of the last two years. I imagine the Cowboys have this game circled in red and gold ink on their calendars.
49ers have two Stanford alums (CMac and Robinson) vs. 0 for the Cowboys. Advantage, Niners.
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(10-02-2023, 07:09 AM)lex24 Wrote:Mick dateline='[url=tel:1696218122' Wrote: 1696218122[/url]']
Ernie Nevers also scored six touchdowns for the Chicago Cardinals when they defeated the Chicago Bears 40-6 on Thanksgiving Day, 1929. Unlike Sayers, Kumara and Dub Jones; Nevers also kicked four PATs, for a total of 40 points -- which is an NFL record that has stood for 84 years.
Bonus points if you can name the player who scored the six points for the Chicago Bears...
Bronco Nagurski.
Gardie Grange, on a 60 yard pass from QB Walt Holmer. Gardie, or "Pinkie" was Red Grange's brother, also a pretty good football player out of Illinois. Red was on the same Bears team in 1929, and they played a 17 game schedule...won their first ten, lost their last seven.
Pro Football Journal: Remembering Garland Grange: Red Grange's Brother (nflfootballjournal.blogspot.com)
Thanks to Ernie Nevers, the Cardinals were third in the 12-team league in scoring. The Packers went undefeated, and finished first in scoring. Ernie led the NL in scoring with 85 points. 12 TDs, 10 extra points and one field goal.
1929 NFL Scoring Summary | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Ernie Nevers Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Niners are currently favored over the Cowboys by 3.0 to 3.5, depending on the site. Niners have knocked the Cowboys out of the playoffs in both of the last two years. I imagine the Cowboys have this game circled in red and gold ink on their calendars.
49ers have two Stanford alums (CMac and Robinson) vs. 0 for the Cowboys. Advantage, Niners.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
10-02-2023, 10:02 AM
RIP Russ Francis. He played a key role in the Niners' 1984 season Championship. Was known for being a pilot, so he probably died the way he wanted in a Lake Placid plane crash yesterday:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/3854...lane-crash
Future Hall of Famer (FHOF) Brock Purdy just produced the 4th highest completion percentage in NFL history in a game with at least 20 attempts, and he registered a mind-numbing 13.5 YPA.
FHOF Purdy's 107.3 Passer Rating led the NFL in 2022 over the games he played. Through four games in 2023, he once again leads the NFL in Passer Rating, only now he's improved it to 115, and he's raised his #6 2022 QBR from 70.8 to 84.5, which is now also #1 in the NFL It's probably not a coincidence that Mike McDaniel and Kyle Shanahan are overseeing the two highest rated passers in both years.
I continue to find it comical how people insist on putting an asterisk on Purdy, and taking away from his performance. If he's the best in the NFL by the measures used to assess the best QB performance, how in the hell can people say he isn't gifted, elite, or special? At some point, the efficiency with which he plays is going to be recognized.
Most people assume that if he didn't have the incredible roster around him that he has he wouldn't be able to elevate the team. But, if he's able to make decisions like he does, move as he can, and execute the throws he can make, how can this be assumed? In college you see QBs have success because they have great talent around them. I don't think this is ever the case in the NFL. If you see things right, quickly, and are accurate with the ball, you will have success.
That said, it's hard to decide who is more valuable on the Niners, FHOF Purdy or FHOF CMac. CMac seems like the MVP given how truly unique and rare his abilities are. In any case, I have to think if a team has this combo, it's got a good shot to be a Super Bowl winner.
The only thing we haven't seen Purdy do is win a shootout game when the defense can't stop anyone, or otherwise lead a comeback in 4th quarter. He's almost always playing from ahead or even.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/3854...lane-crash
Future Hall of Famer (FHOF) Brock Purdy just produced the 4th highest completion percentage in NFL history in a game with at least 20 attempts, and he registered a mind-numbing 13.5 YPA.
FHOF Purdy's 107.3 Passer Rating led the NFL in 2022 over the games he played. Through four games in 2023, he once again leads the NFL in Passer Rating, only now he's improved it to 115, and he's raised his #6 2022 QBR from 70.8 to 84.5, which is now also #1 in the NFL It's probably not a coincidence that Mike McDaniel and Kyle Shanahan are overseeing the two highest rated passers in both years.
I continue to find it comical how people insist on putting an asterisk on Purdy, and taking away from his performance. If he's the best in the NFL by the measures used to assess the best QB performance, how in the hell can people say he isn't gifted, elite, or special? At some point, the efficiency with which he plays is going to be recognized.
Most people assume that if he didn't have the incredible roster around him that he has he wouldn't be able to elevate the team. But, if he's able to make decisions like he does, move as he can, and execute the throws he can make, how can this be assumed? In college you see QBs have success because they have great talent around them. I don't think this is ever the case in the NFL. If you see things right, quickly, and are accurate with the ball, you will have success.
That said, it's hard to decide who is more valuable on the Niners, FHOF Purdy or FHOF CMac. CMac seems like the MVP given how truly unique and rare his abilities are. In any case, I have to think if a team has this combo, it's got a good shot to be a Super Bowl winner.
The only thing we haven't seen Purdy do is win a shootout game when the defense can't stop anyone, or otherwise lead a comeback in 4th quarter. He's almost always playing from ahead or even.
RIP Russ Francis. He played a key role in the Niners' 1984 season Championship. Was known for being a pilot, so he probably died the way he wanted in a Lake Placid plane crash yesterday:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/3854...lane-crash
Future Hall of Famer (FHOF) Brock Purdy just produced the 4th highest completion percentage in NFL history in a game with at least 20 attempts, and he registered a mind-numbing 13.5 YPA.
FHOF Purdy's 107.3 Passer Rating led the NFL in 2022 over the games he played. Through four games in 2023, he once again leads the NFL in Passer Rating, only now he's improved it to 115, and he's raised his #6 2022 QBR from 70.8 to 84.5, which is now also #1 in the NFL It's probably not a coincidence that Mike McDaniel and Kyle Shanahan are overseeing the two highest rated passers in both years.
I continue to find it comical how people insist on putting an asterisk on Purdy, and taking away from his performance. If he's the best in the NFL by the measures used to assess the best QB performance, how in the hell can people say he isn't gifted, elite, or special? At some point, the efficiency with which he plays is going to be recognized.
Most people assume that if he didn't have the incredible roster around him that he has he wouldn't be able to elevate the team. But, if he's able to make decisions like he does, move as he can, and execute the throws he can make, how can this be assumed? In college you see QBs have success because they have great talent around them. I don't think this is ever the case in the NFL. If you see things right, quickly, and are accurate with the ball, you will have success.
That said, it's hard to decide who is more valuable on the Niners, FHOF Purdy or FHOF CMac. CMac seems like the MVP given how truly unique and rare his abilities are. In any case, I have to think if a team has this combo, it's got a good shot to be a Super Bowl winner.
The only thing we haven't seen Purdy do is win a shootout game when the defense can't stop anyone, or otherwise lead a comeback in 4th quarter. He's almost always playing from ahead or even.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/3854...lane-crash
Future Hall of Famer (FHOF) Brock Purdy just produced the 4th highest completion percentage in NFL history in a game with at least 20 attempts, and he registered a mind-numbing 13.5 YPA.
FHOF Purdy's 107.3 Passer Rating led the NFL in 2022 over the games he played. Through four games in 2023, he once again leads the NFL in Passer Rating, only now he's improved it to 115, and he's raised his #6 2022 QBR from 70.8 to 84.5, which is now also #1 in the NFL It's probably not a coincidence that Mike McDaniel and Kyle Shanahan are overseeing the two highest rated passers in both years.
I continue to find it comical how people insist on putting an asterisk on Purdy, and taking away from his performance. If he's the best in the NFL by the measures used to assess the best QB performance, how in the hell can people say he isn't gifted, elite, or special? At some point, the efficiency with which he plays is going to be recognized.
Most people assume that if he didn't have the incredible roster around him that he has he wouldn't be able to elevate the team. But, if he's able to make decisions like he does, move as he can, and execute the throws he can make, how can this be assumed? In college you see QBs have success because they have great talent around them. I don't think this is ever the case in the NFL. If you see things right, quickly, and are accurate with the ball, you will have success.
That said, it's hard to decide who is more valuable on the Niners, FHOF Purdy or FHOF CMac. CMac seems like the MVP given how truly unique and rare his abilities are. In any case, I have to think if a team has this combo, it's got a good shot to be a Super Bowl winner.
The only thing we haven't seen Purdy do is win a shootout game when the defense can't stop anyone, or otherwise lead a comeback in 4th quarter. He's almost always playing from ahead or even.
10-02-2023, 11:21 AM
(10-02-2023, 10:02 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: RIP Russ Francis. He played a key role in the Niners' 1984 season Championship. Was known for being a pilot, so he probably died the way he wanted in a Lake Placid plane crash yesterday:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/3854...lane-crash
Future Hall of Famer (FHOF) Brock Purdy just produced the 4th highest completion percentage in NFL history in a game with at least 20 attempts, and he registered a mind-numbing 13.5 YPA.
FHOF Purdy's 107.3 Passer Rating led the NFL in 2022 over the games he played. Through four games in 2023, he once again leads the NFL in Passer Rating, only now he's improved it to 115, and he's raised his #6 2022 QBR from 70.8 to 84.5, which is now also #1 in the NFL It's probably not a coincidence that Mike McDaniel and Kyle Shanahan are overseeing the two highest rated passers in both years.
I continue to find it comical how people insist on putting an asterisk on Purdy, and taking away from his performance. If he's the best in the NFL by the measures used to assess the best QB performance, how in the hell can people say he isn't gifted, elite, or special? At some point, the efficiency with which he plays is going to be recognized.
Most people assume that if he didn't have the incredible roster around him that he has he wouldn't be able to elevate the team. But, if he's able to make decisions like he does, move as he can, and execute the throws he can make, how can this be assumed? In college you see QBs have success because they have great talent around them. I don't think this is ever the case in the NFL. If you see things right, quickly, and are accurate with the ball, you will have success.
That said, it's hard to decide who is more valuable on the Niners, FHOF Purdy or FHOF CMac. CMac seems like the MVP given how truly unique and rare his abilities are. In any case, I have to think if a team has this combo, it's got a good shot to be a Super Bowl winner.
The only thing we haven't seen Purdy do is win a shootout game when the defense can't stop anyone, or otherwise lead a comeback in 4th quarter. He's almost always playing from ahead or even.
Agreed. It's actually a bit surprising we aren't hearing more about Purdy as an elite NFL QB, and not just as a "good QB for Shanahan's system"
While I am a big believer in Shanahan as a coach, this team has hardly been the Greatest Show on Turf over his years.
Since Shanahan took over, we've finished 6th, 13th, 21st, 2nd, 21st, and 20th in points per game. This is not illustrative of "plug in generic QB" and you get amazing results, as we've seen with Beathard and Johnson and Mullens
I get that until we see Purdy lead a comeback in the super bowl we shouldn't call him better then Mahomes. But he's done essentially everything else to belong in the conversation of the elite NFL QBs.
(10-02-2023, 10:02 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: RIP Russ Francis. He played a key role in the Niners' 1984 season Championship. Was known for being a pilot, so he probably died the way he wanted in a Lake Placid plane crash yesterday:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/3854...lane-crash
Future Hall of Famer (FHOF) Brock Purdy just produced the 4th highest completion percentage in NFL history in a game with at least 20 attempts, and he registered a mind-numbing 13.5 YPA.
FHOF Purdy's 107.3 Passer Rating led the NFL in 2022 over the games he played. Through four games in 2023, he once again leads the NFL in Passer Rating, only now he's improved it to 115, and he's raised his #6 2022 QBR from 70.8 to 84.5, which is now also #1 in the NFL It's probably not a coincidence that Mike McDaniel and Kyle Shanahan are overseeing the two highest rated passers in both years.
I continue to find it comical how people insist on putting an asterisk on Purdy, and taking away from his performance. If he's the best in the NFL by the measures used to assess the best QB performance, how in the hell can people say he isn't gifted, elite, or special? At some point, the efficiency with which he plays is going to be recognized.
Most people assume that if he didn't have the incredible roster around him that he has he wouldn't be able to elevate the team. But, if he's able to make decisions like he does, move as he can, and execute the throws he can make, how can this be assumed? In college you see QBs have success because they have great talent around them. I don't think this is ever the case in the NFL. If you see things right, quickly, and are accurate with the ball, you will have success.
That said, it's hard to decide who is more valuable on the Niners, FHOF Purdy or FHOF CMac. CMac seems like the MVP given how truly unique and rare his abilities are. In any case, I have to think if a team has this combo, it's got a good shot to be a Super Bowl winner.
The only thing we haven't seen Purdy do is win a shootout game when the defense can't stop anyone, or otherwise lead a comeback in 4th quarter. He's almost always playing from ahead or even.
Agreed. It's actually a bit surprising we aren't hearing more about Purdy as an elite NFL QB, and not just as a "good QB for Shanahan's system"
While I am a big believer in Shanahan as a coach, this team has hardly been the Greatest Show on Turf over his years.
Since Shanahan took over, we've finished 6th, 13th, 21st, 2nd, 21st, and 20th in points per game. This is not illustrative of "plug in generic QB" and you get amazing results, as we've seen with Beathard and Johnson and Mullens
I get that until we see Purdy lead a comeback in the super bowl we shouldn't call him better then Mahomes. But he's done essentially everything else to belong in the conversation of the elite NFL QBs.
Elite QB status is reserved for Super Bowl winners. It is all about winning.
Otherwise, you find yourself in the “great numbers but show me the Lombardi your team won” category (Hi, Dan Marino).
IMO, there are only three elite QB’s currently in the league - Rodgers, Stafford and Mahomes. There a number of guys who could bump up but still have something to prove - that they can lead their team to a championship.
Otherwise, you find yourself in the “great numbers but show me the Lombardi your team won” category (Hi, Dan Marino).
IMO, there are only three elite QB’s currently in the league - Rodgers, Stafford and Mahomes. There a number of guys who could bump up but still have something to prove - that they can lead their team to a championship.
Elite QB status is reserved for Super Bowl winners. It is all about winning.
Otherwise, you find yourself in the “great numbers but show me the Lombardi your team won” category (Hi, Dan Marino).
IMO, there are only three elite QB’s currently in the league - Rodgers, Stafford and Mahomes. There a number of guys who could bump up but still have something to prove - that they can lead their team to a championship.
Otherwise, you find yourself in the “great numbers but show me the Lombardi your team won” category (Hi, Dan Marino).
IMO, there are only three elite QB’s currently in the league - Rodgers, Stafford and Mahomes. There a number of guys who could bump up but still have something to prove - that they can lead their team to a championship.
10-02-2023, 01:23 PM
(10-02-2023, 12:57 PM)Giants Wrote: Elite QB status is reserved for Super Bowl winners. It is all about winning.
Otherwise, you find yourself in the “great numbers but show me the Lombardi your team won” category (Hi, Dan Marino).
IMO, there are only three elite QB’s currently in the league - Rodgers, Stafford and Mahomes. There a number of guys who could bump up but still have something to prove - that they can lead their team to a championship.
I've always considered this argument specious. Relying on 21 other guys to vault you into elite territory doesn't seem to have a lot of validity.
(10-02-2023, 12:57 PM)Giants Wrote: Elite QB status is reserved for Super Bowl winners. It is all about winning.
Otherwise, you find yourself in the “great numbers but show me the Lombardi your team won” category (Hi, Dan Marino).
IMO, there are only three elite QB’s currently in the league - Rodgers, Stafford and Mahomes. There a number of guys who could bump up but still have something to prove - that they can lead their team to a championship.
I've always considered this argument specious. Relying on 21 other guys to vault you into elite territory doesn't seem to have a lot of validity.
10-02-2023, 01:41 PM
(10-02-2023, 01:23 PM)CowboyIndian Wrote:(10-02-2023, 12:57 PM)Giants Wrote: Elite QB status is reserved for Super Bowl winners. It is all about winning.
Otherwise, you find yourself in the “great numbers but show me the Lombardi your team won” category (Hi, Dan Marino).
IMO, there are only three elite QB’s currently in the league - Rodgers, Stafford and Mahomes. There a number of guys who could bump up but still have something to prove - that they can lead their team to a championship.
I've always considered this argument specious. Relying on 21 other guys to vault you into elite territory doesn't seem to have a lot of validity.
Agreed. Performance in big games matters, but football is a team sport. Dan Marino is better then Joe Flacco and Trent Dilfer.
Likewise I would take Purdy over Rodgers and Stafford to win games this year.
If I were to rank QBs to win me a game right now it would go:
Mahomes
Herbert
Allen
Purdy
Tua
Jackson
Hurts
(10-02-2023, 01:23 PM)CowboyIndian Wrote:(10-02-2023, 12:57 PM)Giants Wrote: Elite QB status is reserved for Super Bowl winners. It is all about winning.
Otherwise, you find yourself in the “great numbers but show me the Lombardi your team won” category (Hi, Dan Marino).
IMO, there are only three elite QB’s currently in the league - Rodgers, Stafford and Mahomes. There a number of guys who could bump up but still have something to prove - that they can lead their team to a championship.
I've always considered this argument specious. Relying on 21 other guys to vault you into elite territory doesn't seem to have a lot of validity.
Agreed. Performance in big games matters, but football is a team sport. Dan Marino is better then Joe Flacco and Trent Dilfer.
Likewise I would take Purdy over Rodgers and Stafford to win games this year.
If I were to rank QBs to win me a game right now it would go:
Mahomes
Herbert
Allen
Purdy
Tua
Jackson
Hurts
(10-02-2023, 11:21 AM)gocard14 Wrote: While I am a big believer in Shanahan as a coach, this team has hardly been the Greatest Show on Turf over his years.
Since Shanahan took over, we've finished 6th, 13th, 21st, 2nd, 21st, and 20th in points per game. This is not illustrative of "plug in generic QB" and you get amazing results, as we've seen with Beathard and Johnson and Mullens
I get that until we see Purdy lead a comeback in the super bowl we shouldn't call him better then Mahomes. But he's done essentially everything else to belong in the conversation of the elite NFL QBs.
Apropos of nothing, I was on a clickbait site that ranked backup QBs from #32 (worst) to #1. Darnold was considered #8, eighth best. Former SF QBs Hoyer (6 SF starts, 0-6) was #24, Gabbert (13 SF starts, 4-9) was #21, Mullens (16 SF starts, 5-11) was #18 and Beathard (12 SF starts, 2-10) was #14. No wonder their records were -- ahem -- "non-elite." Gardner Minshew was considered the best backup QB, Andy Dalton was second-best.
(10-02-2023, 01:23 PM)CowboyIndian Wrote:(10-02-2023, 12:57 PM)Giants Wrote: Elite QB status is reserved for Super Bowl winners. It is all about winning.
Otherwise, you find yourself in the “great numbers but show me the Lombardi your team won” category (Hi, Dan Marino).
IMO, there are only three elite QB’s currently in the league - Rodgers, Stafford and Mahomes. There a number of guys who could bump up but still have something to prove - that they can lead their team to a championship.
I've always considered this argument specious. Relying on 21 other guys to vault you into elite territory doesn't seem to have a lot of validity.
Hence a certain former 2x Super Bowl winner's failure to be elected to the NFL HoF...
(10-02-2023, 11:21 AM)gocard14 Wrote:(10-02-2023, 10:02 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: I continue to find it comical how people insist on putting an asterisk on Purdy, and taking away from his performance. If he's the best in the NFL by the measures used to assess the best QB performance, how in the hell can people say he isn't gifted, elite, or special? At some point, the efficiency with which he plays is going to be recognized.
Most people assume that if he didn't have the incredible roster around him that he has he wouldn't be able to elevate the team. But, if he's able to make decisions like he does, move as he can, and execute the throws he can make, how can this be assumed? In college you see QBs have success because they have great talent around them. I don't think this is ever the case in the NFL. If you see things right, quickly, and are accurate with the ball, you will have success.
That said, it's hard to decide who is more valuable on the Niners, FHOF Purdy or FHOF CMac. CMac seems like the MVP given how truly unique and rare his abilities are. In any case, I have to think if a team has this combo, it's got a good shot to be a Super Bowl winner.
The only thing we haven't seen Purdy do is win a shootout game when the defense can't stop anyone, or otherwise lead a comeback in 4th quarter. He's almost always playing from ahead or even.
Agreed. It's actually a bit surprising we aren't hearing more about Purdy as an elite NFL QB, and not just as a "good QB for Shanahan's system"
While I am a big believer in Shanahan as a coach, this team has hardly been the Greatest Show on Turf over his years.
Since Shanahan took over, we've finished 6th, 13th, 21st, 2nd, 21st, and 20th in points per game. This is not illustrative of "plug in generic QB" and you get amazing results, as we've seen with Beathard and Johnson and Mullens
I get that until we see Purdy lead a comeback in the super bowl we shouldn't call him better then Mahomes. But he's done essentially everything else to belong in the conversation of the elite NFL QBs.
IMHO, it's just a case of confirmation bias. He wasn't picked by the experts in colleges, in the pros, or in the draft. He wasn't a media darling. His so-called measurables don't jump off the page. He was Mr. Irrelevant in the draft. Ergo...he couldn't possibly be a great quarterback, because we didn't think he could be. Therefore, it must be the system, Shanahan, the players around him, his astrological chart...there's always an excuse for people whose minds are already made up.
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(10-02-2023, 11:21 AM)gocard14 Wrote: While I am a big believer in Shanahan as a coach, this team has hardly been the Greatest Show on Turf over his years.
Since Shanahan took over, we've finished 6th, 13th, 21st, 2nd, 21st, and 20th in points per game. This is not illustrative of "plug in generic QB" and you get amazing results, as we've seen with Beathard and Johnson and Mullens
I get that until we see Purdy lead a comeback in the super bowl we shouldn't call him better then Mahomes. But he's done essentially everything else to belong in the conversation of the elite NFL QBs.
Apropos of nothing, I was on a clickbait site that ranked backup QBs from #32 (worst) to #1. Darnold was considered #8, eighth best. Former SF QBs Hoyer (6 SF starts, 0-6) was #24, Gabbert (13 SF starts, 4-9) was #21, Mullens (16 SF starts, 5-11) was #18 and Beathard (12 SF starts, 2-10) was #14. No wonder their records were -- ahem -- "non-elite." Gardner Minshew was considered the best backup QB, Andy Dalton was second-best.
(10-02-2023, 01:23 PM)CowboyIndian Wrote:(10-02-2023, 12:57 PM)Giants Wrote: Elite QB status is reserved for Super Bowl winners. It is all about winning.
Otherwise, you find yourself in the “great numbers but show me the Lombardi your team won” category (Hi, Dan Marino).
IMO, there are only three elite QB’s currently in the league - Rodgers, Stafford and Mahomes. There a number of guys who could bump up but still have something to prove - that they can lead their team to a championship.
I've always considered this argument specious. Relying on 21 other guys to vault you into elite territory doesn't seem to have a lot of validity.
Hence a certain former 2x Super Bowl winner's failure to be elected to the NFL HoF...
(10-02-2023, 11:21 AM)gocard14 Wrote:(10-02-2023, 10:02 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: I continue to find it comical how people insist on putting an asterisk on Purdy, and taking away from his performance. If he's the best in the NFL by the measures used to assess the best QB performance, how in the hell can people say he isn't gifted, elite, or special? At some point, the efficiency with which he plays is going to be recognized.
Most people assume that if he didn't have the incredible roster around him that he has he wouldn't be able to elevate the team. But, if he's able to make decisions like he does, move as he can, and execute the throws he can make, how can this be assumed? In college you see QBs have success because they have great talent around them. I don't think this is ever the case in the NFL. If you see things right, quickly, and are accurate with the ball, you will have success.
That said, it's hard to decide who is more valuable on the Niners, FHOF Purdy or FHOF CMac. CMac seems like the MVP given how truly unique and rare his abilities are. In any case, I have to think if a team has this combo, it's got a good shot to be a Super Bowl winner.
The only thing we haven't seen Purdy do is win a shootout game when the defense can't stop anyone, or otherwise lead a comeback in 4th quarter. He's almost always playing from ahead or even.
Agreed. It's actually a bit surprising we aren't hearing more about Purdy as an elite NFL QB, and not just as a "good QB for Shanahan's system"
While I am a big believer in Shanahan as a coach, this team has hardly been the Greatest Show on Turf over his years.
Since Shanahan took over, we've finished 6th, 13th, 21st, 2nd, 21st, and 20th in points per game. This is not illustrative of "plug in generic QB" and you get amazing results, as we've seen with Beathard and Johnson and Mullens
I get that until we see Purdy lead a comeback in the super bowl we shouldn't call him better then Mahomes. But he's done essentially everything else to belong in the conversation of the elite NFL QBs.
IMHO, it's just a case of confirmation bias. He wasn't picked by the experts in colleges, in the pros, or in the draft. He wasn't a media darling. His so-called measurables don't jump off the page. He was Mr. Irrelevant in the draft. Ergo...he couldn't possibly be a great quarterback, because we didn't think he could be. Therefore, it must be the system, Shanahan, the players around him, his astrological chart...there's always an excuse for people whose minds are already made up.
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10-02-2023, 03:46 PM
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Elite QB status is reserved for Super Bowl winners. It is all about winning.
Otherwise, you find yourself in the “great numbers but show me the Lombardi your team won” category (Hi, Dan Marino).
IMO, there are only three elite QB’s currently in the league - Rodgers, Stafford and Mahomes. There a number of guys who could bump up but still have something to prove - that they can lead their team to a championship.
I've always considered this argument specious. Relying on 21 other guys to vault you into elite territory doesn't seem to have a lot of validity.
Agreed. Performance in big games matters, but football is a team sport. Dan Marino is better then Joe Flacco and Trent Dilfer.
Likewise I would take Purdy over Rodgers and Stafford to win games this year.
If I were to rank QBs to win me a game right now it would go:
Mahomes
Herbert
Allen
Purdy
Tua
Jackson
Hurts
I never suggested winning a Super Bowl propels a QB to elite status. I did suggest that to be considered for elite status, a Super Bowl ring must be in your possession (among other requirements).
Also, I would take any QB in the game over Rodgers this year given the fact that Rodgers will be in the cast for the rest of the season.
Stafford over Purdy this year? Hmmm….
As for your list, flip Allen and Herbert and we agree (excluding Mahomes, I think Allen is the best QB in the NFL)….
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Elite QB status is reserved for Super Bowl winners. It is all about winning.
Otherwise, you find yourself in the “great numbers but show me the Lombardi your team won” category (Hi, Dan Marino).
IMO, there are only three elite QB’s currently in the league - Rodgers, Stafford and Mahomes. There a number of guys who could bump up but still have something to prove - that they can lead their team to a championship.
I've always considered this argument specious. Relying on 21 other guys to vault you into elite territory doesn't seem to have a lot of validity.
Agreed. Performance in big games matters, but football is a team sport. Dan Marino is better then Joe Flacco and Trent Dilfer.
Likewise I would take Purdy over Rodgers and Stafford to win games this year.
If I were to rank QBs to win me a game right now it would go:
Mahomes
Herbert
Allen
Purdy
Tua
Jackson
Hurts
I never suggested winning a Super Bowl propels a QB to elite status. I did suggest that to be considered for elite status, a Super Bowl ring must be in your possession (among other requirements).
Also, I would take any QB in the game over Rodgers this year given the fact that Rodgers will be in the cast for the rest of the season.
Stafford over Purdy this year? Hmmm….
As for your list, flip Allen and Herbert and we agree (excluding Mahomes, I think Allen is the best QB in the NFL)….
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