[TreesAndBirds]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/5-Voldemort...43357.html

[TreesAndBirds]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/5-Voldemort...43357.html

[CTcard]

The article you linked does note the following,

In addition to the five finalists, there were quite a few stars who won’t make the trip to New York. Those snubs include Texas running back D’Onta Foreman, Florida State running back Dalvin Cook, Washington quarterback Jake Browning and San Diego State running back Donnel Pumphrey

So, those are the most notable snubs ...

[CTcard]

The article you linked does note the following,

In addition to the five finalists, there were quite a few stars who won’t make the trip to New York. Those snubs include Texas running back D’Onta Foreman, Florida State running back Dalvin Cook, Washington quarterback Jake Browning and San Diego State running back Donnel Pumphrey

So, those are the most notable snubs ...

[JJJ]

First reaction: they have no clue

Second reaction: maybe this will help convince McCaffrey to come back another year to take care of "unfinished business"...?

#glasshalffull

[JJJ]

First reaction: they have no clue

Second reaction: maybe this will help convince McCaffrey to come back another year to take care of "unfinished business"...?

#glasshalffull

[CornFed]

Sheesh!!

Thank you for playing our game Christian.  Please accept a fun home version for participating!!!!

[CornFed]

Sheesh!!

Thank you for playing our game Christian.  Please accept a fun home version for participating!!!!

[SamAtoms1980]

This is total bullshit.

[SamAtoms1980]

This is total bullshit.

[French Rage]

Too bad for Jackson.  He had a great season, but since his team didn't make the playoff I guess he's apparently not eligible to win, and will have to watch someone with inferior stats do so.

[French Rage]

Too bad for Jackson.  He had a great season, but since his team didn't make the playoff I guess he's apparently not eligible to win, and will have to watch someone with inferior stats do so.

[larkinforever]

Second reaction: maybe this will help convince McCaffrey to come back another year to take care of "unfinished business"...?

Roommates Keller and Christian hanging out in their dorm room:

Keller: "Remember senior year in high school, during our Big Visit weekend, when we talked about winning a national championship together at Stanford as the starting backfield?"

Christian: "Good thing we still have one more chance."

[larkinforever]

Second reaction: maybe this will help convince McCaffrey to come back another year to take care of "unfinished business"...?

Roommates Keller and Christian hanging out in their dorm room:

Keller: "Remember senior year in high school, during our Big Visit weekend, when we talked about winning a national championship together at Stanford as the starting backfield?"

Christian: "Good thing we still have one more chance."

[DC 86]

Too bad for Jackson.  He had a great season, but since his team didn't make the playoff I guess he's apparently not eligible to win, and will have to watch someone with inferior stats do so.

Jackson is a lock.

[DC 86]

Too bad for Jackson.  He had a great season, but since his team didn't make the playoff I guess he's apparently not eligible to win, and will have to watch someone with inferior stats do so.

Jackson is a lock.

[OutsiderFan]

D'onta Freeman is getting boned.  Has a RB who gained over 2,000 yards rushing from a Power 5 school ever not been a finalist?

[OutsiderFan]

D'onta Freeman is getting boned.  Has a RB who gained over 2,000 yards rushing from a Power 5 school ever not been a finalist?

[fullmetal]

List of college running backs with over 2000 yards in a season: http://collegefootball.about.com/od/hist...c-2000.htm


But this includes bowl game stats, so pre-bowl stats would mean a bunch of them had sub-2000 yds at the time of H-man selections.


Matt Forte (Tulane in '07) and Tevin Coleman (IU in '14) strike me as names that I don't remember seeing in H-man discussions, and neither of them went to bowl games in those seasons, iirc.

[fullmetal]

List of college running backs with over 2000 yards in a season: http://collegefootball.about.com/od/hist...c-2000.htm


But this includes bowl game stats, so pre-bowl stats would mean a bunch of them had sub-2000 yds at the time of H-man selections.


Matt Forte (Tulane in '07) and Tevin Coleman (IU in '14) strike me as names that I don't remember seeing in H-man discussions, and neither of them went to bowl games in those seasons, iirc.

[OutsiderFan]

So Tevin Coleman is the only one from a Power 5 other than Freeman.  I guess you really do have to be on a team that wins 9+ games to be considered.

[OutsiderFan]

So Tevin Coleman is the only one from a Power 5 other than Freeman.  I guess you really do have to be on a team that wins 9+ games to be considered.

[81alum]

Seriously, after Nelson, Elway, Gerhardt, Luck, and CMac, any Stanford fan who still cares about this award must be suffering from a psychological disorder roughly equivalent to Stockholm syndrome or masochism.

[81alum]

Seriously, after Nelson, Elway, Gerhardt, Luck, and CMac, any Stanford fan who still cares about this award must be suffering from a psychological disorder roughly equivalent to Stockholm syndrome or masochism.

[fullmetal]

Seriously, after Nelson, Elway, Gerhardt, Luck, and CMac, any Stanford fan who still cares about this award must be suffering from a psychological disorder roughly equivalent to Stockholm syndrome or masochism.

I watched the Stanford-KU basketball game...yep.  And I'll probably roadtrip to El Paso.

[fullmetal]

Seriously, after Nelson, Elway, Gerhardt, Luck, and CMac, any Stanford fan who still cares about this award must be suffering from a psychological disorder roughly equivalent to Stockholm syndrome or masochism.

I watched the Stanford-KU basketball game...yep.  And I'll probably roadtrip to El Paso.

[winflop]

First reaction: they have no clue

Second reaction: maybe this will help convince McCaffrey to come back another year to take care of "unfinished business"...?

#glasshalffull

There is very limited upside for McCaffrey coming back.  Really not much of an opportunity to improve his draft stock because he is already a known to NFL front offices.
I don't expect him to but I would be very pleasantly surprised if he did.  I'm sure he's talking to Luck about it.

[winflop]

First reaction: they have no clue

Second reaction: maybe this will help convince McCaffrey to come back another year to take care of "unfinished business"...?

#glasshalffull

There is very limited upside for McCaffrey coming back.  Really not much of an opportunity to improve his draft stock because he is already a known to NFL front offices.
I don't expect him to but I would be very pleasantly surprised if he did.  I'm sure he's talking to Luck about it.

[Spiny_Norman]

There is very limited upside for McCaffrey coming back. 

Finish his degree?  He would likely be the first person in his family not to graduate from college.

[Spiny_Norman]

There is very limited upside for McCaffrey coming back. 

Finish his degree?  He would likely be the first person in his family not to graduate from college.

[fullmetal]

[quote author=winflop link=topic=16239.msg181807#msg181807 date=1481060709]
There is very limited upside for McCaffrey coming back. 

Finish his degree?  He would likely be the first person in his family not to graduate from college.
[/quote]


As Casey Jacobsen is demonstrating, there's always time to graduate after your pro career.

[fullmetal]

[quote author=winflop link=topic=16239.msg181807#msg181807 date=1481060709]
There is very limited upside for McCaffrey coming back. 

Finish his degree?  He would likely be the first person in his family not to graduate from college.
[/quote]


As Casey Jacobsen is demonstrating, there's always time to graduate after your pro career.

[jacketree]

Seriously, after Nelson, Elway, Gerhardt, Luck, and CMac, any Stanford fan who still cares about this award must be suffering from a psychological disorder roughly equivalent to Stockholm syndrome or masochism.

Nelson finished sixth in 1981 behind Marcus Allen, Herschel Walker, Jim McMahon, Dan Marino and Art Schlichter. Not much to complain about.


Elway finished second in 1982 behind Herschel Walker.  Pretty legit. (I watched Walker dominate from up close that year.)


Gerhart finished second in 2009 behind Mark Ingram. Gerhart had the better year; Ingram the better team/hype. TG should have won.


Luck finished second in 2010 behind Cam Newton.  Luck had the better year on a great team that did all but win the MNC.  AL should have won.


Luck finished second in 2011 behind Robert Griffin III.  RG3 actually had the better year. Luck's campaign was PowerPoint based and doomed.


McCaffrey finished second in 2015 behind Derrick Henry.  Henry had the better year as a RB and won the Doak Walker, which is for the best running back in college football and the Heisenburgman, which is for the best player in college football. McCaffrey had the best year in the history of college football, which was recognized as such by Associated Press and the Paul Hornung Award, but not the other one. Mileage may vary.


So IMO, three out of the six results were pretty crummy.

[jacketree]

Seriously, after Nelson, Elway, Gerhardt, Luck, and CMac, any Stanford fan who still cares about this award must be suffering from a psychological disorder roughly equivalent to Stockholm syndrome or masochism.

Nelson finished sixth in 1981 behind Marcus Allen, Herschel Walker, Jim McMahon, Dan Marino and Art Schlichter. Not much to complain about.


Elway finished second in 1982 behind Herschel Walker.  Pretty legit. (I watched Walker dominate from up close that year.)


Gerhart finished second in 2009 behind Mark Ingram. Gerhart had the better year; Ingram the better team/hype. TG should have won.


Luck finished second in 2010 behind Cam Newton.  Luck had the better year on a great team that did all but win the MNC.  AL should have won.


Luck finished second in 2011 behind Robert Griffin III.  RG3 actually had the better year. Luck's campaign was PowerPoint based and doomed.


McCaffrey finished second in 2015 behind Derrick Henry.  Henry had the better year as a RB and won the Doak Walker, which is for the best running back in college football and the Heisenburgman, which is for the best player in college football. McCaffrey had the best year in the history of college football, which was recognized as such by Associated Press and the Paul Hornung Award, but not the other one. Mileage may vary.


So IMO, three out of the six results were pretty crummy.

[fullmetal]

I disagree about RG3 having the better year :)  Luck definitely should have won that year...RG3 wasn't even in the conversation until at least halfway through the season, iirc .

[fullmetal]

I disagree about RG3 having the better year :)  Luck definitely should have won that year...RG3 wasn't even in the conversation until at least halfway through the season, iirc .

[dabigv13]

[quote author=81alum link=topic=16239.msg181786#msg181786 date=1481046268]
Seriously, after Nelson, Elway, Gerhardt, Luck, and CMac, any Stanford fan who still cares about this award must be suffering from a psychological disorder roughly equivalent to Stockholm syndrome or masochism.

Nelson finished sixth in 1981 behind Marcus Allen, Herschel Walker, Jim McMahon, Dan Marino and Art Schlichter. Not much to complain about.


Elway finished second in 1982 behind Herschel Walker.  Pretty legit. (I watched Walker dominate from up close that year.)


Gerhart finished second in 2009 behind Mark Ingram. Gerhart had the better year; Ingram the better team/hype. TG should have won.


Luck finished second in 2010 behind Cam Newton.  Luck had the better year on a great team that did all but win the MNC.  AL should have won.


Luck finished second in 2011 behind Robert Griffin III.  RG3 actually had the better year. Luck's campaign was PowerPoint based and doomed.


McCaffrey finished second in 2015 behind Derrick Henry.  Henry had the better year as a RB and won the Doak Walker, which is for the best running back in college football and the Heisenburgman, which is for the best player in college football. McCaffrey had the best year in the history of college football, which was recognized as such by Associated Press and the Paul Hornung Award, but not the other one. Mileage may vary.


So IMO, three out of the six results were pretty crummy.
[/quote]


Part of the issue was the manner of each loss. With Toby, sure he had a better year, but Bama had a better season. OK fine reinforced in Luck's loss to Cam. But then, when we have a great team, RG3's 3 losses with Baylor isn't a big deal; check out his socks!


So then CMAC has the best offensive season in CFB history for a Rose Bowl bound Stanford squad. And loses.


One suspects that Bryce Love could literally defy gravity and fly next year, and a majority of    voters wouldn't really be that impressed.

[dabigv13]

[quote author=81alum link=topic=16239.msg181786#msg181786 date=1481046268]
Seriously, after Nelson, Elway, Gerhardt, Luck, and CMac, any Stanford fan who still cares about this award must be suffering from a psychological disorder roughly equivalent to Stockholm syndrome or masochism.

Nelson finished sixth in 1981 behind Marcus Allen, Herschel Walker, Jim McMahon, Dan Marino and Art Schlichter. Not much to complain about.


Elway finished second in 1982 behind Herschel Walker.  Pretty legit. (I watched Walker dominate from up close that year.)


Gerhart finished second in 2009 behind Mark Ingram. Gerhart had the better year; Ingram the better team/hype. TG should have won.


Luck finished second in 2010 behind Cam Newton.  Luck had the better year on a great team that did all but win the MNC.  AL should have won.


Luck finished second in 2011 behind Robert Griffin III.  RG3 actually had the better year. Luck's campaign was PowerPoint based and doomed.


McCaffrey finished second in 2015 behind Derrick Henry.  Henry had the better year as a RB and won the Doak Walker, which is for the best running back in college football and the Heisenburgman, which is for the best player in college football. McCaffrey had the best year in the history of college football, which was recognized as such by Associated Press and the Paul Hornung Award, but not the other one. Mileage may vary.


So IMO, three out of the six results were pretty crummy.
[/quote]


Part of the issue was the manner of each loss. With Toby, sure he had a better year, but Bama had a better season. OK fine reinforced in Luck's loss to Cam. But then, when we have a great team, RG3's 3 losses with Baylor isn't a big deal; check out his socks!


So then CMAC has the best offensive season in CFB history for a Rose Bowl bound Stanford squad. And loses.


One suspects that Bryce Love could literally defy gravity and fly next year, and a majority of    voters wouldn't really be that impressed.

[GoodGrief]

Toby also won the Doak Walker award for best RB over Ingram. Yet, Ingram won the Voldemort because Alabama.

Add also that Derrick Henry's offensive line won the Joe Moore award for best offensive line. That surely helped his stats a lot, but nobody was adjusting for that. Because clearly the crimson uniform deserves a Voldemort.

[GoodGrief]

Toby also won the Doak Walker award for best RB over Ingram. Yet, Ingram won the Voldemort because Alabama.

Add also that Derrick Henry's offensive line won the Joe Moore award for best offensive line. That surely helped his stats a lot, but nobody was adjusting for that. Because clearly the crimson uniform deserves a Voldemort.