09-03-2017, 11:11 PM
ROSEN HAD THE GRADES AND BOARDS, THAT WASN'T THE ISSUE HERE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE DRIVING AT. I ACCEPT YOUR ANECDOTE AS COMPLETELY PLAUSIBLE BTW.
ANY STANFORD FAN WHO TELLS ME ROSEN WOULDN'T HELP US
johnnyo53
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ROSEN HAD THE GRADES AND BOARDS, THAT WASN'T THE ISSUE HERE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE DRIVING AT. I ACCEPT YOUR ANECDOTE AS COMPLETELY PLAUSIBLE BTW.
Never been a fan of "just win, Baby". It's too often used to excuse things that shouldn't be excused.
I don't pretend to know much about Rosen but I know a lot about Coach Shaw and I trust his judgement. Even if this choice turns out to be a mistake - and how can we ever know? - he's earned my trust.Â
For fans the late Al Davis quote - You might notice he wins a lot too.
I don't pretend to know much about Rosen but I know a lot about Coach Shaw and I trust his judgement. Even if this choice turns out to be a mistake - and how can we ever know? - he's earned my trust.Â
For fans the late Al Davis quote - You might notice he wins a lot too.
In 1938 Neville Chamberlain declared "Peace in our time", Superman first appeared in Action Comics, Seabiscuit beat War Admiral ....... and C.a.l last won the Rose Bowl.
(This post was last modified: 09-03-2017, 11:18 PM by Leftcoast.)
Never been a fan of "just win, Baby". It's too often used to excuse things that shouldn't be excused.
I don't pretend to know much about Rosen but I know a lot about Coach Shaw and I trust his judgement. Even if this choice turns out to be a mistake - and how can we ever know? - he's earned my trust.Â
For fans the late Al Davis quote - You might notice he wins a lot too.
I don't pretend to know much about Rosen but I know a lot about Coach Shaw and I trust his judgement. Even if this choice turns out to be a mistake - and how can we ever know? - he's earned my trust.Â
For fans the late Al Davis quote - You might notice he wins a lot too.
In 1938 Neville Chamberlain declared "Peace in our time", Superman first appeared in Action Comics, Seabiscuit beat War Admiral ....... and C.a.l last won the Rose Bowl.
johnnyo53
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09-03-2017, 11:27 PM
HE'S A GREAT COACH, BUT HE'S NOT INFALLIBLE. HE WAS THUMBS DOWN ON LUCK IN FAVOR OF ANOTHER QB ACCORDING TO A GUY WHO WAS IN THE ROOM WHEN THOSE RECRUITING DECISIONS WERE BEING DISCUSSED AS A STAFF. AND IF THERE'S ONE THING THAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT SHAVITAGREN, IT'S THEIR QB RECRUITING DECISIONS AND FAILURE TO DEVELOP A SUCCESSION PLAN FOR HOGAN, WHO THEY STARTED NUNES AHEAD OF....KIND OF LIKE THE GOP WHO HAS 7 YEARS TO COME UP WITH A REPLACEMENT FOR ACA...BUT I DIGRESS
HE'S A GREAT COACH, BUT HE'S NOT INFALLIBLE. HE WAS THUMBS DOWN ON LUCK IN FAVOR OF ANOTHER QB ACCORDING TO A GUY WHO WAS IN THE ROOM WHEN THOSE RECRUITING DECISIONS WERE BEING DISCUSSED AS A STAFF. AND IF THERE'S ONE THING THAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT SHAVITAGREN, IT'S THEIR QB RECRUITING DECISIONS AND FAILURE TO DEVELOP A SUCCESSION PLAN FOR HOGAN, WHO THEY STARTED NUNES AHEAD OF....KIND OF LIKE THE GOP WHO HAS 7 YEARS TO COME UP WITH A REPLACEMENT FOR ACA...BUT I DIGRESS
09-03-2017, 11:43 PM
(09-03-2017, 11:05 PM)johnnyo53 link Wrote:THAT'S A MICROAGGRESSION. USING LOWERCASE IS OFFENSIVE. LOL
No that's a macroagreesion, this is a agression
(09-03-2017, 11:05 PM)johnnyo53 link Wrote:THAT'S A MICROAGGRESSION. USING LOWERCASE IS OFFENSIVE. LOL
No that's a macroagreesion, this is a agression
09-03-2017, 11:46 PM
(09-03-2017, 11:27 PM)johnnyo53 link Wrote:HE'S A GREAT COACH, BUT HE'S NOT INFALLIBLE. HE WAS THUMBS DOWN ON LUCK IN FAVOR OF ANOTHER QB ACCORDING TO A GUY WHO WAS IN THE ROOM WHEN THOSE RECRUITING DECISIONS WERE BEING DISCUSSED AS A STAFF. AND IF THERE'S ONE THING THAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT SHAVITAGREN, IT'S THEIR QB RECRUITING DECISIONS AND FAILURE TO DEVELOP A SUCCESSION PLAN FOR HOGAN, WHO THEY STARTED NUNES AHEAD OF....KIND OF LIKE THE GOP WHO HAS 7 YEARS TO COME UP WITH A REPLACEMENT FOR ACA...BUT I DIGRESS
It's well known that Luck was our third QB offer that year. Whatever Shaw's opinion was, the buck ultimately stops at the top. After all, Shaw's boss had played the position, and his was the only opinion that counted.
BC
(09-03-2017, 11:27 PM)johnnyo53 link Wrote:HE'S A GREAT COACH, BUT HE'S NOT INFALLIBLE. HE WAS THUMBS DOWN ON LUCK IN FAVOR OF ANOTHER QB ACCORDING TO A GUY WHO WAS IN THE ROOM WHEN THOSE RECRUITING DECISIONS WERE BEING DISCUSSED AS A STAFF. AND IF THERE'S ONE THING THAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT SHAVITAGREN, IT'S THEIR QB RECRUITING DECISIONS AND FAILURE TO DEVELOP A SUCCESSION PLAN FOR HOGAN, WHO THEY STARTED NUNES AHEAD OF....KIND OF LIKE THE GOP WHO HAS 7 YEARS TO COME UP WITH A REPLACEMENT FOR ACA...BUT I DIGRESS
It's well known that Luck was our third QB offer that year. Whatever Shaw's opinion was, the buck ultimately stops at the top. After all, Shaw's boss had played the position, and his was the only opinion that counted.
BC
09-04-2017, 02:40 AM
(09-03-2017, 11:11 PM)johnnyo53 link Wrote:ROSEN HAD THE GRADES AND BOARDS, THAT WASN'T THE ISSUE HERE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE DRIVING AT. I ACCEPT YOUR ANECDOTE AS COMPLETELY PLAUSIBLE BTW.
The issue is that there were probably 30,000 applicants who had the grades and the boards in Rosen's year, and if he were a potential world class violinist rather than a potential world class NFL QB, his chances of being admitted were slim, like all the other top 30,000 applicants in his cohort.
All models are wrong; some models are useful......
George Box
(09-03-2017, 11:11 PM)johnnyo53 link Wrote:ROSEN HAD THE GRADES AND BOARDS, THAT WASN'T THE ISSUE HERE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE DRIVING AT. I ACCEPT YOUR ANECDOTE AS COMPLETELY PLAUSIBLE BTW.
The issue is that there were probably 30,000 applicants who had the grades and the boards in Rosen's year, and if he were a potential world class violinist rather than a potential world class NFL QB, his chances of being admitted were slim, like all the other top 30,000 applicants in his cohort.
All models are wrong; some models are useful......
George Box
09-04-2017, 03:01 AM
(09-04-2017, 02:40 AM)Stymie link Wrote:[quote author=johnnyo53 link=topic=17297.msg199014#msg199014 date=1504505481]
ROSEN HAD THE GRADES AND BOARDS, THAT WASN'T THE ISSUE HERE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE DRIVING AT. I ACCEPT YOUR ANECDOTE AS COMPLETELY PLAUSIBLE BTW.
The issue is that there were probably 30,000 applicants who had the grades and the boards in Rosen's year, and if he were a potential world class violinist rather than a potential world class NFL QB, his chances of being admitted were slim, like all the other top 30,000 applicants in his cohort.
[/quote]
If what you are saying is that very few (if any) football players on the current roster would have been admitted without football, that's certainly true. However, as far as news is concerned that's right up there with Lee surrendered to Grant or the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
From what I understand about Luck's credentials, he might have been one of the few that would have been. Not sure about Rosen, but have a feeling he might have been too.
(09-04-2017, 02:40 AM)Stymie link Wrote:[quote author=johnnyo53 link=topic=17297.msg199014#msg199014 date=1504505481]
ROSEN HAD THE GRADES AND BOARDS, THAT WASN'T THE ISSUE HERE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE DRIVING AT. I ACCEPT YOUR ANECDOTE AS COMPLETELY PLAUSIBLE BTW.
The issue is that there were probably 30,000 applicants who had the grades and the boards in Rosen's year, and if he were a potential world class violinist rather than a potential world class NFL QB, his chances of being admitted were slim, like all the other top 30,000 applicants in his cohort.
[/quote]
If what you are saying is that very few (if any) football players on the current roster would have been admitted without football, that's certainly true. However, as far as news is concerned that's right up there with Lee surrendered to Grant or the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
From what I understand about Luck's credentials, he might have been one of the few that would have been. Not sure about Rosen, but have a feeling he might have been too.
09-04-2017, 03:51 AM
(09-04-2017, 03:01 AM)JPRI link Wrote:[quote author=Stymie link=topic=17297.msg199026#msg199026 date=1504518020]
[quote author=johnnyo53 link=topic=17297.msg199014#msg199014 date=1504505481]
ROSEN HAD THE GRADES AND BOARDS, THAT WASN'T THE ISSUE HERE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE DRIVING AT. I ACCEPT YOUR ANECDOTE AS COMPLETELY PLAUSIBLE BTW.
The issue is that there were probably 30,000 applicants who had the grades and the boards in Rosen's year, and if he were a potential world class violinist rather than a potential world class NFL QB, his chances of being admitted were slim, like all the other top 30,000 applicants in his cohort.
[/quote]
If what you are saying is that very few (if any) football players on the current roster would have been admitted without football, that's certainly true. However, as far as news is concerned that's right up there with Lee surrendered to Grant or the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
From what I understand about Luck's credentials, he might have been one of the few that would have been. Not sure about Rosen, but have a feeling he might have been too.
[/quote]
JPRI. Did I say anything about "news" above? If so, I apologize. If not, please read more closely.
All models are wrong; some models are useful......
George Box
(09-04-2017, 03:01 AM)JPRI link Wrote:[quote author=Stymie link=topic=17297.msg199026#msg199026 date=1504518020]
[quote author=johnnyo53 link=topic=17297.msg199014#msg199014 date=1504505481]
ROSEN HAD THE GRADES AND BOARDS, THAT WASN'T THE ISSUE HERE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE DRIVING AT. I ACCEPT YOUR ANECDOTE AS COMPLETELY PLAUSIBLE BTW.
The issue is that there were probably 30,000 applicants who had the grades and the boards in Rosen's year, and if he were a potential world class violinist rather than a potential world class NFL QB, his chances of being admitted were slim, like all the other top 30,000 applicants in his cohort.
[/quote]
If what you are saying is that very few (if any) football players on the current roster would have been admitted without football, that's certainly true. However, as far as news is concerned that's right up there with Lee surrendered to Grant or the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
From what I understand about Luck's credentials, he might have been one of the few that would have been. Not sure about Rosen, but have a feeling he might have been too.
[/quote]
JPRI. Did I say anything about "news" above? If so, I apologize. If not, please read more closely.
All models are wrong; some models are useful......
George Box
09-04-2017, 04:01 AM
(09-04-2017, 03:51 AM)Stymie link Wrote:[quote author=JPRI link=topic=17297.msg199027#msg199027 date=1504519314]
[quote author=Stymie link=topic=17297.msg199026#msg199026 date=1504518020]
[quote author=johnnyo53 link=topic=17297.msg199014#msg199014 date=1504505481]
ROSEN HAD THE GRADES AND BOARDS, THAT WASN'T THE ISSUE HERE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE DRIVING AT. I ACCEPT YOUR ANECDOTE AS COMPLETELY PLAUSIBLE BTW.
The issue is that there were probably 30,000 applicants who had the grades and the boards in Rosen's year, and if he were a potential world class violinist rather than a potential world class NFL QB, his chances of being admitted were slim, like all the other top 30,000 applicants in his cohort.
[/quote]
If what you are saying is that very few (if any) football players on the current roster would have been admitted without football, that's certainly true. However, as far as news is concerned that's right up there with Lee surrendered to Grant or the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
From what I understand about Luck's credentials, he might have been one of the few that would have been. Not sure about Rosen, but have a feeling he might have been too.
[/quote]
JPRI. Did I say anything about "news" above? If so, I apologize. If not, please read more closely.
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You didn't. With all due respect, I just didn't see much point in stating a fact that virtually all of us have known for decades now.
(09-04-2017, 03:51 AM)Stymie link Wrote:[quote author=JPRI link=topic=17297.msg199027#msg199027 date=1504519314]
[quote author=Stymie link=topic=17297.msg199026#msg199026 date=1504518020]
[quote author=johnnyo53 link=topic=17297.msg199014#msg199014 date=1504505481]
ROSEN HAD THE GRADES AND BOARDS, THAT WASN'T THE ISSUE HERE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE DRIVING AT. I ACCEPT YOUR ANECDOTE AS COMPLETELY PLAUSIBLE BTW.
The issue is that there were probably 30,000 applicants who had the grades and the boards in Rosen's year, and if he were a potential world class violinist rather than a potential world class NFL QB, his chances of being admitted were slim, like all the other top 30,000 applicants in his cohort.
[/quote]
If what you are saying is that very few (if any) football players on the current roster would have been admitted without football, that's certainly true. However, as far as news is concerned that's right up there with Lee surrendered to Grant or the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
From what I understand about Luck's credentials, he might have been one of the few that would have been. Not sure about Rosen, but have a feeling he might have been too.
[/quote]
JPRI. Did I say anything about "news" above? If so, I apologize. If not, please read more closely.
[/quote]
You didn't. With all due respect, I just didn't see much point in stating a fact that virtually all of us have known for decades now.
09-04-2017, 06:29 AM
(09-04-2017, 05:43 AM)Hulk01 link Wrote:Isn't it years past time to let this go?Yes. It is. But fans love nothing more than beating dead horses every time they are reminded of how something could have been.
(09-04-2017, 05:43 AM)Hulk01 link Wrote:Isn't it years past time to let this go?Yes. It is. But fans love nothing more than beating dead horses every time they are reminded of how something could have been.
09-04-2017, 06:49 AM
(09-04-2017, 05:43 AM)Hulk01 link Wrote:Isn't it years past time to let this go?
I agree, but if Rosen outplays Chryst in our game with them this year, prepare for another onslaught.
(09-04-2017, 05:43 AM)Hulk01 link Wrote:Isn't it years past time to let this go?
I agree, but if Rosen outplays Chryst in our game with them this year, prepare for another onslaught.
09-04-2017, 06:54 AM
(09-04-2017, 06:49 AM)JPRI link Wrote:[quote author=Hulk01 link=topic=17297.msg199032#msg199032 date=1504529000]
Isn't it years past time to let this go?
I agree, but if Rosen outplays Chryst in our game with them this year, prepare for another onslaught.
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If we win, who cares? Counterfactual speculation is just that.
(09-04-2017, 06:49 AM)JPRI link Wrote:[quote author=Hulk01 link=topic=17297.msg199032#msg199032 date=1504529000]
Isn't it years past time to let this go?
I agree, but if Rosen outplays Chryst in our game with them this year, prepare for another onslaught.
[/quote]
If we win, who cares? Counterfactual speculation is just that.
09-04-2017, 08:16 AM
(09-04-2017, 06:29 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:Yes. It is. But fans love nothing more than beating dead horses every time they are reminded of how something could have been.
WE COULD HAVE HAD OKAFOR!!!!!!
Quote:Â However, as far as news is concerned that's right up there with Lee surrendered to Grant or the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
Wait . . . what? ???
As far as news is concerned, that's fake news.
Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip.
Quote:Â However, as far as news is concerned that's right up there with Lee surrendered to Grant or the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
Wait . . . what? ???
As far as news is concerned, that's fake news.
Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip.
12-8 in his career. (Meanwhile our QBs are 22-5 in that same span.)
09-04-2017, 10:32 AM
(09-04-2017, 10:00 AM)lex24 link Wrote:Ah a Rosen thread. Gee I missed those.
Isn't there a whole message board dedicated to that on TOS?
BC
(09-04-2017, 10:00 AM)lex24 link Wrote:Ah a Rosen thread. Gee I missed those.
Isn't there a whole message board dedicated to that on TOS?
BC
09-04-2017, 10:37 AM
(09-04-2017, 10:12 AM)French Rage link Wrote:12-8 in his career. (Meanwhile our QBs are 22-5 in that same span.)
To be fair to Rosen, our QB's supporting cast is better, even though his was more highly recruited.
BC
(09-04-2017, 10:12 AM)French Rage link Wrote:12-8 in his career. (Meanwhile our QBs are 22-5 in that same span.)
To be fair to Rosen, our QB's supporting cast is better, even though his was more highly recruited.
BC
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