03-04-2014, 10:40 PM
Spring practice thread
03-04-2014, 10:56 PM
(03-04-2014, 08:39 AM)FGkickingiswinning link Wrote:Oser is a C/G
Davidson is a loooong way from seeing the field.
The back up at OT if there was an injury would either be Austin, Bright or Tucker. No issues there.
Can you elaborate on why Davidson is so far away from seeing playing time?
(03-04-2014, 08:39 AM)FGkickingiswinning link Wrote:Oser is a C/G
Davidson is a loooong way from seeing the field.
The back up at OT if there was an injury would either be Austin, Bright or Tucker. No issues there.
Can you elaborate on why Davidson is so far away from seeing playing time?
04-05-2014, 02:24 PM
Bonagura has notes: http://espn.go.com/blog/stanford-footbal...d-practice
David Shaw, post-practice: https://soundcloud.com/kzsusports/david-...actice-4-5
Ronnie Harris, interviewed: https://soundcloud.com/kzsusports/ronnie...with-david
David Shaw, post-practice: https://soundcloud.com/kzsusports/david-...actice-4-5
Ronnie Harris, interviewed: https://soundcloud.com/kzsusports/ronnie...with-david
Bonagura has notes: http://espn.go.com/blog/stanford-footbal...d-practice
David Shaw, post-practice: https://soundcloud.com/kzsusports/david-...actice-4-5
Ronnie Harris, interviewed: https://soundcloud.com/kzsusports/ronnie...with-david
David Shaw, post-practice: https://soundcloud.com/kzsusports/david-...actice-4-5
Ronnie Harris, interviewed: https://soundcloud.com/kzsusports/ronnie...with-david
04-05-2014, 07:04 PM
Bonagura says that Oser is out for the whole season. Wasn't he supposed to be the #2 center?
04-05-2014, 08:35 PM
Quote:OL Thomas Oser suffered what Shaw described as a significant knee injury and will be back "at some point next year."
Maybe the quote is referring to the next academic year? Other reports say he should be back sometime during the season.
If I had a dollar every time I was distracted, I wish I had some ice cream.
Quote:OL Thomas Oser suffered what Shaw described as a significant knee injury and will be back "at some point next year."
Maybe the quote is referring to the next academic year? Other reports say he should be back sometime during the season.
If I had a dollar every time I was distracted, I wish I had some ice cream.
04-05-2014, 10:40 PM
My impression was that Oser was in the competition for the #2 center, along with Kevin Rheiner and perhaps some others who are not coming to mind right now. Rheiner actually has an extra year of experience in the offensive system, so if my memory is correct about him being an option, I'm not as concerned as I might be. But it sure is nice to have dept at the OL, isn't it?
My impression was that Oser was in the competition for the #2 center, along with Kevin Rheiner and perhaps some others who are not coming to mind right now. Rheiner actually has an extra year of experience in the offensive system, so if my memory is correct about him being an option, I'm not as concerned as I might be. But it sure is nice to have dept at the OL, isn't it?
(04-05-2014, 10:40 PM)socalstanfan1 link Wrote:My impression was that Oser was in the competition for the #2 center, along with Kevin Rheiner and perhaps some others who are not coming to mind right now. Rheiner actually has an extra year of experience in the offensive system, so if my memory is correct about him being an option, I'm not as concerned as I might be. But it sure is nice to have dept at the OL, isn't it?
I agree that Reihner most likely had the inside track as back-up center even before Oser was hurt.
With Oser and Austin hurt, several players not returning for a fifth year (Fleming, Bonnell, Underwood, McFadden), and the freshmen not on campus yet, we actually don't have much depth on the OL this spring. Right now we don't have enough healthy OL players for a full two-deep. Reinforcements are coming in the fall but at the moment, it's pretty thin.
(04-05-2014, 10:40 PM)socalstanfan1 link Wrote:My impression was that Oser was in the competition for the #2 center, along with Kevin Rheiner and perhaps some others who are not coming to mind right now. Rheiner actually has an extra year of experience in the offensive system, so if my memory is correct about him being an option, I'm not as concerned as I might be. But it sure is nice to have dept at the OL, isn't it?
I agree that Reihner most likely had the inside track as back-up center even before Oser was hurt.
With Oser and Austin hurt, several players not returning for a fifth year (Fleming, Bonnell, Underwood, McFadden), and the freshmen not on campus yet, we actually don't have much depth on the OL this spring. Right now we don't have enough healthy OL players for a full two-deep. Reinforcements are coming in the fall but at the moment, it's pretty thin.
04-08-2014, 07:20 AM
Here's a Shaw radio interview: http://media.957thegame.com/a/89898961/c...otball.htm
04-09-2014, 08:18 AM
Quick little Hogan Q&A with some interesting tidbits: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/bl...ource=t.co
Hopefully his progress in progressing will equal last year's jump in deep throw completion %.
Hopefully his progress in progressing will equal last year's jump in deep throw completion %.
Quick little Hogan Q&A with some interesting tidbits: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/bl...ource=t.co
Hopefully his progress in progressing will equal last year's jump in deep throw completion %.
Hopefully his progress in progressing will equal last year's jump in deep throw completion %.
04-09-2014, 09:20 AM
What's most interesting about that Hogan interview is it's from the Orlando Sentinel, and not an AP story either. An actual writer from the OS did it. Kind of an indication of Stanford football's relevance on the college football landscape. I'm guessing the fact there is a playoff now, makes Stanford even more relevant from a national perspective than ever before.
What's most interesting about that Hogan interview is it's from the Orlando Sentinel, and not an AP story either. An actual writer from the OS did it. Kind of an indication of Stanford football's relevance on the college football landscape. I'm guessing the fact there is a playoff now, makes Stanford even more relevant from a national perspective than ever before.
04-09-2014, 10:04 AM
I noticed that too. Hogan has no ties to Orlando that I'm aware of. I wonder if it stems from our recruitment of Garrett Williams who is an Orlando area student-athlete.
I noticed that too. Hogan has no ties to Orlando that I'm aware of. I wonder if it stems from our recruitment of Garrett Williams who is an Orlando area student-athlete.
04-09-2014, 12:22 PM
Here's a Q&A with Bloomgren: http://espn.go.com/blog/stanford-footbal...-bloomgren
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04-09-2014, 12:52 PM
According to Bloomgren, Burns has gone from "not being able to take the center-quarterback snap to start a play to now where we're doing that consistently well." What? Man, when they said Burns was rough but with lots of talent and upside, they didn't specify that "rough" included not being able to take a direct center snap. Doubly odd because he's been through a whole year of team practices. Maybe that was why the coaches moved Dallas Lloyd to safety. He was hogging all the backup QB snaps.
Moving on, Bloomgren also noted Kelsey Young's problem moving up as a running back was "he wasn't the master of was running the ball from seven yards behind the quarterback..." Hmmm. At Norco they ran the T formation and I could have sworn I saw videos of Young starting lined up behind the QB and taking handoffs on his way to becoming SoCal back of the Year or some such. And all he needed was three years of practice taking handoffs in our formation?
Moving on, Bloomgren also noted Kelsey Young's problem moving up as a running back was "he wasn't the master of was running the ball from seven yards behind the quarterback..." Hmmm. At Norco they ran the T formation and I could have sworn I saw videos of Young starting lined up behind the QB and taking handoffs on his way to becoming SoCal back of the Year or some such. And all he needed was three years of practice taking handoffs in our formation?
According to Bloomgren, Burns has gone from "not being able to take the center-quarterback snap to start a play to now where we're doing that consistently well." What? Man, when they said Burns was rough but with lots of talent and upside, they didn't specify that "rough" included not being able to take a direct center snap. Doubly odd because he's been through a whole year of team practices. Maybe that was why the coaches moved Dallas Lloyd to safety. He was hogging all the backup QB snaps.
Moving on, Bloomgren also noted Kelsey Young's problem moving up as a running back was "he wasn't the master of was running the ball from seven yards behind the quarterback..." Hmmm. At Norco they ran the T formation and I could have sworn I saw videos of Young starting lined up behind the QB and taking handoffs on his way to becoming SoCal back of the Year or some such. And all he needed was three years of practice taking handoffs in our formation?
Moving on, Bloomgren also noted Kelsey Young's problem moving up as a running back was "he wasn't the master of was running the ball from seven yards behind the quarterback..." Hmmm. At Norco they ran the T formation and I could have sworn I saw videos of Young starting lined up behind the QB and taking handoffs on his way to becoming SoCal back of the Year or some such. And all he needed was three years of practice taking handoffs in our formation?
04-09-2014, 12:56 PM
Ummm, that's not exactly high praise for his rapid progression. Being able to take the center-QB snap consistently well is not exactly the bar I hope we are holding our QB's to...
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Ummm, that's not exactly high praise for his rapid progression. Being able to take the center-QB snap consistently well is not exactly the bar I hope we are holding our QB's to...
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04-09-2014, 01:34 PM
These Bloomgren comments with Drukarev may provide context to what he's talking about:
https://stanford.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1629593
Of course, Elway rather famously lined up behind the guard in his first snap for the Broncos, so basic errors when being tossed into the deep end of the pool aren't necessarily damning.
Quote:Kelsey Young, a new entrant to the running back group this spring, has impressed the coaching staff with his play this spring. In fact, Young has been the most productive running back on the Cardinal roster so far this spring.
"Yeah, I'd say that's fair to say," Bloomgren said. "Very fair to say. Because he is so explosive, he is doing so much better with his footwork patterns and just being great with his tracks in his eyes. That's something that a young Kelsey Young certainly didn't have two years ago. He's always been an explosive runner but now he's reading things out and then when he does hit it, oh my goodness, he is hard to deal with. He's seeing defenders really well and any time he can get loose in space, it's a really bad deal for the defense."
Quote:"With Ryan you can imagine coming back for session two and being thrown right into the fire, everything was just I think very overwhelming to him (the first) Monday and Tuesday," Bloomgren said. "What's been really nice is to see things slow down for him in terms of mentally being able to make the right checks get us in the right play. And then the other thing is we had typical errors in those first couple of practices like center/quarterback exchange. It's hard to run a football play if we don't get the snap. It's great that those things have really cleared up a lot. That's a big deal."
https://stanford.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1629593
Of course, Elway rather famously lined up behind the guard in his first snap for the Broncos, so basic errors when being tossed into the deep end of the pool aren't necessarily damning.
These Bloomgren comments with Drukarev may provide context to what he's talking about:
https://stanford.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1629593
Of course, Elway rather famously lined up behind the guard in his first snap for the Broncos, so basic errors when being tossed into the deep end of the pool aren't necessarily damning.
Quote:Kelsey Young, a new entrant to the running back group this spring, has impressed the coaching staff with his play this spring. In fact, Young has been the most productive running back on the Cardinal roster so far this spring.
"Yeah, I'd say that's fair to say," Bloomgren said. "Very fair to say. Because he is so explosive, he is doing so much better with his footwork patterns and just being great with his tracks in his eyes. That's something that a young Kelsey Young certainly didn't have two years ago. He's always been an explosive runner but now he's reading things out and then when he does hit it, oh my goodness, he is hard to deal with. He's seeing defenders really well and any time he can get loose in space, it's a really bad deal for the defense."
Quote:"With Ryan you can imagine coming back for session two and being thrown right into the fire, everything was just I think very overwhelming to him (the first) Monday and Tuesday," Bloomgren said. "What's been really nice is to see things slow down for him in terms of mentally being able to make the right checks get us in the right play. And then the other thing is we had typical errors in those first couple of practices like center/quarterback exchange. It's hard to run a football play if we don't get the snap. It's great that those things have really cleared up a lot. That's a big deal."
https://stanford.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1629593
Of course, Elway rather famously lined up behind the guard in his first snap for the Broncos, so basic errors when being tossed into the deep end of the pool aren't necessarily damning.
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04-09-2014, 01:48 PM
Went back and watched Kelsey Young's HS vids. He did NOT take handoffs out of a conventional T formation I or split back formation. in 2010 the QB was under center and Young was split out behind the where the TE or OT would be. On the snap he was moving laterally toward the QB behind center and took the handoff moving laterally. And it worked. Over and over again, at least in the highlight video In 2011 Norco switched to a Pistol-like formation with Young starting about 1 yd. back and to the side of the QB who was 3-4 yds behind center. Very quick handoff to Kelsey who had maybe a step or two before getting the ball. No wonder Young is still confused about where a QB should be and where he should be. Sorry, Kelsey. I blame garvin.
Went back and watched Kelsey Young's HS vids. He did NOT take handoffs out of a conventional T formation I or split back formation. in 2010 the QB was under center and Young was split out behind the where the TE or OT would be. On the snap he was moving laterally toward the QB behind center and took the handoff moving laterally. And it worked. Over and over again, at least in the highlight video In 2011 Norco switched to a Pistol-like formation with Young starting about 1 yd. back and to the side of the QB who was 3-4 yds behind center. Very quick handoff to Kelsey who had maybe a step or two before getting the ball. No wonder Young is still confused about where a QB should be and where he should be. Sorry, Kelsey. I blame garvin.
04-09-2014, 02:18 PM
I'm just an old fart that reads the cyberspace runes from 6000 miles away from University Avenue, but I would put money on Burns being the #1 QB by the end of 2014. Hogan is good, but not good enough for our potential and our ambitions.
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I'm just an old fart that reads the cyberspace runes from 6000 miles away from University Avenue, but I would put money on Burns being the #1 QB by the end of 2014. Hogan is good, but not good enough for our potential and our ambitions.
All models are wrong; some models are useful......
George Box
04-09-2014, 03:33 PM
I'm not a betting man, but if I were, I would give you pretty good odds that barring injury, Hogan will still be our QB at the end of 2014, for several reasons:
1) He is a two-year starter and has a lot of college experience.
2) He is in the top third statistically of Pac-12 quarterback (4th best QB by rating, 2nd in yards per attempt)
3) There is nothing about Shaw that suggests he is going to replace a very QB with someone based solely on potential (consider that he waited to replace Nunes for way longer than most fans wanted)
I think there is reason to be excited about Burns in 2016 (and potentially 2015 if Hogan has a banner year and decides to go pro early), but I just see no way that Hogan is replaced unless he has an injury.
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1) He is a two-year starter and has a lot of college experience.
2) He is in the top third statistically of Pac-12 quarterback (4th best QB by rating, 2nd in yards per attempt)
3) There is nothing about Shaw that suggests he is going to replace a very QB with someone based solely on potential (consider that he waited to replace Nunes for way longer than most fans wanted)
I think there is reason to be excited about Burns in 2016 (and potentially 2015 if Hogan has a banner year and decides to go pro early), but I just see no way that Hogan is replaced unless he has an injury.
BC
I'm not a betting man, but if I were, I would give you pretty good odds that barring injury, Hogan will still be our QB at the end of 2014, for several reasons:
1) He is a two-year starter and has a lot of college experience.
2) He is in the top third statistically of Pac-12 quarterback (4th best QB by rating, 2nd in yards per attempt)
3) There is nothing about Shaw that suggests he is going to replace a very QB with someone based solely on potential (consider that he waited to replace Nunes for way longer than most fans wanted)
I think there is reason to be excited about Burns in 2016 (and potentially 2015 if Hogan has a banner year and decides to go pro early), but I just see no way that Hogan is replaced unless he has an injury.
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1) He is a two-year starter and has a lot of college experience.
2) He is in the top third statistically of Pac-12 quarterback (4th best QB by rating, 2nd in yards per attempt)
3) There is nothing about Shaw that suggests he is going to replace a very QB with someone based solely on potential (consider that he waited to replace Nunes for way longer than most fans wanted)
I think there is reason to be excited about Burns in 2016 (and potentially 2015 if Hogan has a banner year and decides to go pro early), but I just see no way that Hogan is replaced unless he has an injury.
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04-09-2014, 03:43 PM
Unless Hogan nosedives into the realm of Josh Nunes-level quarterbacking, I don't think he's going to be replaced anytime soon.Â
04-09-2014, 11:51 PM
The other thing to remember is that Shaw had an excuse to start playing Hogan, and it wasn't just about Nunez's inconsistency. Shaw could use the Hogan Package or a series here or there, and pretty soon, to quote Seinfield, he was "just there." First Hogan was a change of pace, then he was simply a change. For Burns to get into a game at all, Hogan would have to be injured. I don't think there's any way he could be bad enough to erase all that he accomplished over the past two years.
Please clear the field! The game is not over!
The other thing to remember is that Shaw had an excuse to start playing Hogan, and it wasn't just about Nunez's inconsistency. Shaw could use the Hogan Package or a series here or there, and pretty soon, to quote Seinfield, he was "just there." First Hogan was a change of pace, then he was simply a change. For Burns to get into a game at all, Hogan would have to be injured. I don't think there's any way he could be bad enough to erase all that he accomplished over the past two years.
Please clear the field! The game is not over!
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