From what I read torn ulnar collateral ligament, surgery recommended but not Tommy John, 6 month rehab and should be ready for July training camp. Purdy is seeking a second opinion.
Outside Topic OT: 2022 Niners thread
01-31-2023, 07:24 AM
lex, there are three things that stand out about why the injuries to QBs have afflicted Shanahan QBs so acutely:
1. Jimmy Garoppolo can't stay healthy, suggesting he is not fit to build your team around at the QB position. It's fine to argue that his injuries could have happened to anyone. That's true, but the frequency with which Garoppolo has been injured - including before he was acquired by trade - makes investing so much money in him a very questionable idea at best.
2. Running Trey Lance like a RB, welcoming additional hits on him, and driving up the chances of him getting hurt. It's just idiotic to do this with a guy who isn't a physical freak, by size, strength, quickness, and/or speed. If Shanahan wanted a running QB, he should have taken Justin Fields, as would have been my choice, as he has elite speed. Lance is a good sized QB, but he doesn't have truly elite size, speed, power, or quickness. It's better than average, but not truly game changing. Most NFL people know to avoid hits on the QB as much as possible. And, Robert Griffin III had his career basically ended because Shanahan insisted on running him in ways that put him at higher risk for injury.
3. Not enough hot options built into passing concepts. This has been a consistent theme and biggest complaint from the analysts I've seen commenting on Shanahan's offense. There are too many instances without options to help out the QB when facing quick pressure, and too many free hits on the QB. Garoppolo was in fact lost for season on a play he was hit by an unblocked defender with no hot receiver. Not only would more hot adjustments - that provide immediate receiving options from pocket - protect the QB, they would probably increase the Red Zone TD efficiency.
I don't know if Purdy's injury is Shanahan's fault, but because he has been so cavalier about QB preservation, I can't rule it out. I don't buy the people saying it was crazy to have a TE blocking a DE, because that's how the play action design works. The TE made the DE loop around him, and a pocket was formed that gave Purdy the space to step up right before throwing the ball to Aiyuk. My question stems from whether Purdy was taught to throw from the position he threw from or not. As Mike Martz said, the QB must step up before throwing with that kind of protection on a play action pass (if possible and could have been done) because Purdy was in the target zone where a DE would aim on that kind of play. These are minor details, but very important ones. It's also possible Purdy just felt too comfortable and even if told to step up in that situation, he might have just not done so. For all I know, after the play that ended the season and f'd the offseason, Kyle might have told Brock "We said to climb the pocket before throwing."
Back to the point. The totality of the evidence suggests Kyle Shanahan puts QBs at risk for more injury than his peers. This isn't to say other QBs don't get injured. They do. But the severity and frequency with which Shanahan's QBs are injured is not just randomness. This is like drinking alcohol or smoking. Not everyone who does will have their health ruined by the same degree as others, but in the main, doing these things will lead to more serious disease. Playing QB for Kyle Shanahan puts you at risk for more serious injury than other coaches. The evidence proves it.
He really needs to look at all the details that contribute to his QBs being injured and make some adjustments. To continue with the same approach without making changes would be lunacy, suggesting there is a problem.
1. Jimmy Garoppolo can't stay healthy, suggesting he is not fit to build your team around at the QB position. It's fine to argue that his injuries could have happened to anyone. That's true, but the frequency with which Garoppolo has been injured - including before he was acquired by trade - makes investing so much money in him a very questionable idea at best.
2. Running Trey Lance like a RB, welcoming additional hits on him, and driving up the chances of him getting hurt. It's just idiotic to do this with a guy who isn't a physical freak, by size, strength, quickness, and/or speed. If Shanahan wanted a running QB, he should have taken Justin Fields, as would have been my choice, as he has elite speed. Lance is a good sized QB, but he doesn't have truly elite size, speed, power, or quickness. It's better than average, but not truly game changing. Most NFL people know to avoid hits on the QB as much as possible. And, Robert Griffin III had his career basically ended because Shanahan insisted on running him in ways that put him at higher risk for injury.
3. Not enough hot options built into passing concepts. This has been a consistent theme and biggest complaint from the analysts I've seen commenting on Shanahan's offense. There are too many instances without options to help out the QB when facing quick pressure, and too many free hits on the QB. Garoppolo was in fact lost for season on a play he was hit by an unblocked defender with no hot receiver. Not only would more hot adjustments - that provide immediate receiving options from pocket - protect the QB, they would probably increase the Red Zone TD efficiency.
I don't know if Purdy's injury is Shanahan's fault, but because he has been so cavalier about QB preservation, I can't rule it out. I don't buy the people saying it was crazy to have a TE blocking a DE, because that's how the play action design works. The TE made the DE loop around him, and a pocket was formed that gave Purdy the space to step up right before throwing the ball to Aiyuk. My question stems from whether Purdy was taught to throw from the position he threw from or not. As Mike Martz said, the QB must step up before throwing with that kind of protection on a play action pass (if possible and could have been done) because Purdy was in the target zone where a DE would aim on that kind of play. These are minor details, but very important ones. It's also possible Purdy just felt too comfortable and even if told to step up in that situation, he might have just not done so. For all I know, after the play that ended the season and f'd the offseason, Kyle might have told Brock "We said to climb the pocket before throwing."
Back to the point. The totality of the evidence suggests Kyle Shanahan puts QBs at risk for more injury than his peers. This isn't to say other QBs don't get injured. They do. But the severity and frequency with which Shanahan's QBs are injured is not just randomness. This is like drinking alcohol or smoking. Not everyone who does will have their health ruined by the same degree as others, but in the main, doing these things will lead to more serious disease. Playing QB for Kyle Shanahan puts you at risk for more serious injury than other coaches. The evidence proves it.
He really needs to look at all the details that contribute to his QBs being injured and make some adjustments. To continue with the same approach without making changes would be lunacy, suggesting there is a problem.
lex, there are three things that stand out about why the injuries to QBs have afflicted Shanahan QBs so acutely:
1. Jimmy Garoppolo can't stay healthy, suggesting he is not fit to build your team around at the QB position. It's fine to argue that his injuries could have happened to anyone. That's true, but the frequency with which Garoppolo has been injured - including before he was acquired by trade - makes investing so much money in him a very questionable idea at best.
2. Running Trey Lance like a RB, welcoming additional hits on him, and driving up the chances of him getting hurt. It's just idiotic to do this with a guy who isn't a physical freak, by size, strength, quickness, and/or speed. If Shanahan wanted a running QB, he should have taken Justin Fields, as would have been my choice, as he has elite speed. Lance is a good sized QB, but he doesn't have truly elite size, speed, power, or quickness. It's better than average, but not truly game changing. Most NFL people know to avoid hits on the QB as much as possible. And, Robert Griffin III had his career basically ended because Shanahan insisted on running him in ways that put him at higher risk for injury.
3. Not enough hot options built into passing concepts. This has been a consistent theme and biggest complaint from the analysts I've seen commenting on Shanahan's offense. There are too many instances without options to help out the QB when facing quick pressure, and too many free hits on the QB. Garoppolo was in fact lost for season on a play he was hit by an unblocked defender with no hot receiver. Not only would more hot adjustments - that provide immediate receiving options from pocket - protect the QB, they would probably increase the Red Zone TD efficiency.
I don't know if Purdy's injury is Shanahan's fault, but because he has been so cavalier about QB preservation, I can't rule it out. I don't buy the people saying it was crazy to have a TE blocking a DE, because that's how the play action design works. The TE made the DE loop around him, and a pocket was formed that gave Purdy the space to step up right before throwing the ball to Aiyuk. My question stems from whether Purdy was taught to throw from the position he threw from or not. As Mike Martz said, the QB must step up before throwing with that kind of protection on a play action pass (if possible and could have been done) because Purdy was in the target zone where a DE would aim on that kind of play. These are minor details, but very important ones. It's also possible Purdy just felt too comfortable and even if told to step up in that situation, he might have just not done so. For all I know, after the play that ended the season and f'd the offseason, Kyle might have told Brock "We said to climb the pocket before throwing."
Back to the point. The totality of the evidence suggests Kyle Shanahan puts QBs at risk for more injury than his peers. This isn't to say other QBs don't get injured. They do. But the severity and frequency with which Shanahan's QBs are injured is not just randomness. This is like drinking alcohol or smoking. Not everyone who does will have their health ruined by the same degree as others, but in the main, doing these things will lead to more serious disease. Playing QB for Kyle Shanahan puts you at risk for more serious injury than other coaches. The evidence proves it.
He really needs to look at all the details that contribute to his QBs being injured and make some adjustments. To continue with the same approach without making changes would be lunacy, suggesting there is a problem.
1. Jimmy Garoppolo can't stay healthy, suggesting he is not fit to build your team around at the QB position. It's fine to argue that his injuries could have happened to anyone. That's true, but the frequency with which Garoppolo has been injured - including before he was acquired by trade - makes investing so much money in him a very questionable idea at best.
2. Running Trey Lance like a RB, welcoming additional hits on him, and driving up the chances of him getting hurt. It's just idiotic to do this with a guy who isn't a physical freak, by size, strength, quickness, and/or speed. If Shanahan wanted a running QB, he should have taken Justin Fields, as would have been my choice, as he has elite speed. Lance is a good sized QB, but he doesn't have truly elite size, speed, power, or quickness. It's better than average, but not truly game changing. Most NFL people know to avoid hits on the QB as much as possible. And, Robert Griffin III had his career basically ended because Shanahan insisted on running him in ways that put him at higher risk for injury.
3. Not enough hot options built into passing concepts. This has been a consistent theme and biggest complaint from the analysts I've seen commenting on Shanahan's offense. There are too many instances without options to help out the QB when facing quick pressure, and too many free hits on the QB. Garoppolo was in fact lost for season on a play he was hit by an unblocked defender with no hot receiver. Not only would more hot adjustments - that provide immediate receiving options from pocket - protect the QB, they would probably increase the Red Zone TD efficiency.
I don't know if Purdy's injury is Shanahan's fault, but because he has been so cavalier about QB preservation, I can't rule it out. I don't buy the people saying it was crazy to have a TE blocking a DE, because that's how the play action design works. The TE made the DE loop around him, and a pocket was formed that gave Purdy the space to step up right before throwing the ball to Aiyuk. My question stems from whether Purdy was taught to throw from the position he threw from or not. As Mike Martz said, the QB must step up before throwing with that kind of protection on a play action pass (if possible and could have been done) because Purdy was in the target zone where a DE would aim on that kind of play. These are minor details, but very important ones. It's also possible Purdy just felt too comfortable and even if told to step up in that situation, he might have just not done so. For all I know, after the play that ended the season and f'd the offseason, Kyle might have told Brock "We said to climb the pocket before throwing."
Back to the point. The totality of the evidence suggests Kyle Shanahan puts QBs at risk for more injury than his peers. This isn't to say other QBs don't get injured. They do. But the severity and frequency with which Shanahan's QBs are injured is not just randomness. This is like drinking alcohol or smoking. Not everyone who does will have their health ruined by the same degree as others, but in the main, doing these things will lead to more serious disease. Playing QB for Kyle Shanahan puts you at risk for more serious injury than other coaches. The evidence proves it.
He really needs to look at all the details that contribute to his QBs being injured and make some adjustments. To continue with the same approach without making changes would be lunacy, suggesting there is a problem.
(01-31-2023, 07:24 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: lex, there are three things that stand out about why the injuries to QBs have afflicted Shanahan QBs so acutely:
1. Jimmy Garoppolo can't stay healthy, suggesting he is not fit to build your team around at the QB position. It's fine to argue that his injuries could have happened to anyone. That's true, but the frequency with which Garoppolo has been injured - including before he was acquired by trade - makes investing so much money in him a very questionable idea at best.
2. Running Trey Lance like a RB, welcoming additional hits on him, and driving up the chances of him getting hurt. It's just idiotic to do this with a guy who isn't a physical freak, by size, strength, quickness, and/or speed. If Shanahan wanted a running QB, he should have taken Justin Fields, as would have been my choice, as he has elite speed. Lance is a good sized QB, but he doesn't have truly elite size, speed, power, or quickness. It's better than average, but not truly game changing. Most NFL people know to avoid hits on the QB as much as possible. And, Robert Griffin III had his career basically ended because Shanahan insisted on running him in ways that put him at higher risk for injury.
3. Not enough hot options built into passing concepts. This has been a consistent theme and biggest complaint from the analysts I've seen commenting on Shanahan's offense. There are too many instances without options to help out the QB when facing quick pressure, and too many free hits on the QB. Garoppolo was in fact lost for season on a play he was hit by an unblocked defender with no hot receiver. Not only would more hot adjustments - that provide immediate receiving options from pocket - protect the QB, they would probably increase the Red Zone TD efficiency.
I don't know if Purdy's injury is Shanahan's fault, but because he has been so cavalier about QB preservation, I can't rule it out. I don't buy the people saying it was crazy to have a TE blocking a DE, because that's how the play action design works. The TE made the DE loop around him, and a pocket was formed that gave Purdy the space to step up right before throwing the ball to Aiyuk. My question stems from whether Purdy was taught to throw from the position he threw from or not. As Mike Martz said, the QB must step up before throwing with that kind of protection on a play action pass (if possible and could have been done) because Purdy was in the target zone where a DE would aim on that kind of play. These are minor details, but very important ones. It's also possible Purdy just felt too comfortable and even if told to step up in that situation, he might have just not done so. For all I know, after the play that ended the season and f'd the offseason, Kyle might have told Brock "We said to climb the pocket before throwing."
Back to the point. The totality of the evidence suggests Kyle Shanahan puts QBs at risk for more injury than his peers. This isn't to say other QBs don't get injured. They do. But the severity and frequency with which Shanahan's QBs are injured is not just randomness. This is like drinking alcohol or smoking. Not everyone who does will have their health ruined by the same degree as others, but in the main, doing these things will lead to more serious disease. Playing QB for Kyle Shanahan puts you at risk for more serious injury than other coaches. The evidence proves it.
He really needs to look at all the details that contribute to his QBs being injured and make some adjustments. To continue with the same approach without making changes would be lunacy, suggesting there is a problem.
So, your “facts” are that Garrapolo is injury prone, you’d have taken Fields and “some analysts” say his offense lacks hot reads”. Those aren’t facts. Except for Garrapolo being injury prone. Which certainly is not the coaches fault.
As for Griffin, - Mike was the head coach. And Griffin certainly was an elite runner. Plus I’m confident they did run the offense the same with RGIII as they did with JG. You ain’t running zone read with JG.
Also, if you want to go with his OC days, I don’t recall Matt Ryan having injury issues. .
One other actual fact - Niner QB’s were sacked 31 times. 5th best figure in NFL.
(01-31-2023, 07:24 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: lex, there are three things that stand out about why the injuries to QBs have afflicted Shanahan QBs so acutely:
1. Jimmy Garoppolo can't stay healthy, suggesting he is not fit to build your team around at the QB position. It's fine to argue that his injuries could have happened to anyone. That's true, but the frequency with which Garoppolo has been injured - including before he was acquired by trade - makes investing so much money in him a very questionable idea at best.
2. Running Trey Lance like a RB, welcoming additional hits on him, and driving up the chances of him getting hurt. It's just idiotic to do this with a guy who isn't a physical freak, by size, strength, quickness, and/or speed. If Shanahan wanted a running QB, he should have taken Justin Fields, as would have been my choice, as he has elite speed. Lance is a good sized QB, but he doesn't have truly elite size, speed, power, or quickness. It's better than average, but not truly game changing. Most NFL people know to avoid hits on the QB as much as possible. And, Robert Griffin III had his career basically ended because Shanahan insisted on running him in ways that put him at higher risk for injury.
3. Not enough hot options built into passing concepts. This has been a consistent theme and biggest complaint from the analysts I've seen commenting on Shanahan's offense. There are too many instances without options to help out the QB when facing quick pressure, and too many free hits on the QB. Garoppolo was in fact lost for season on a play he was hit by an unblocked defender with no hot receiver. Not only would more hot adjustments - that provide immediate receiving options from pocket - protect the QB, they would probably increase the Red Zone TD efficiency.
I don't know if Purdy's injury is Shanahan's fault, but because he has been so cavalier about QB preservation, I can't rule it out. I don't buy the people saying it was crazy to have a TE blocking a DE, because that's how the play action design works. The TE made the DE loop around him, and a pocket was formed that gave Purdy the space to step up right before throwing the ball to Aiyuk. My question stems from whether Purdy was taught to throw from the position he threw from or not. As Mike Martz said, the QB must step up before throwing with that kind of protection on a play action pass (if possible and could have been done) because Purdy was in the target zone where a DE would aim on that kind of play. These are minor details, but very important ones. It's also possible Purdy just felt too comfortable and even if told to step up in that situation, he might have just not done so. For all I know, after the play that ended the season and f'd the offseason, Kyle might have told Brock "We said to climb the pocket before throwing."
Back to the point. The totality of the evidence suggests Kyle Shanahan puts QBs at risk for more injury than his peers. This isn't to say other QBs don't get injured. They do. But the severity and frequency with which Shanahan's QBs are injured is not just randomness. This is like drinking alcohol or smoking. Not everyone who does will have their health ruined by the same degree as others, but in the main, doing these things will lead to more serious disease. Playing QB for Kyle Shanahan puts you at risk for more serious injury than other coaches. The evidence proves it.
He really needs to look at all the details that contribute to his QBs being injured and make some adjustments. To continue with the same approach without making changes would be lunacy, suggesting there is a problem.
So, your “facts” are that Garrapolo is injury prone, you’d have taken Fields and “some analysts” say his offense lacks hot reads”. Those aren’t facts. Except for Garrapolo being injury prone. Which certainly is not the coaches fault.
As for Griffin, - Mike was the head coach. And Griffin certainly was an elite runner. Plus I’m confident they did run the offense the same with RGIII as they did with JG. You ain’t running zone read with JG.
Also, if you want to go with his OC days, I don’t recall Matt Ryan having injury issues. .
One other actual fact - Niner QB’s were sacked 31 times. 5th best figure in NFL.
01-31-2023, 06:17 PM
(01-30-2023, 05:31 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Jed York might want to think about creating some consequences for the Head Coach losing so many QBs to injury. Shanahan has to put a lot more emphasis on protecting them, obviously, because he clearly is not doing a good job in that department. It's not some crazy anomaly that they are getting hurt so frequently and severely. The way they are being taught and employed is leading to a higher frequency of significant injury than any other team.
This is parody, right?
BC
(01-30-2023, 05:31 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Jed York might want to think about creating some consequences for the Head Coach losing so many QBs to injury. Shanahan has to put a lot more emphasis on protecting them, obviously, because he clearly is not doing a good job in that department. It's not some crazy anomaly that they are getting hurt so frequently and severely. The way they are being taught and employed is leading to a higher frequency of significant injury than any other team.
This is parody, right?
BC
01-31-2023, 06:25 PM
Shanahan is a terrible blocker always had been. Even when a water boy back in the 90s the bucket would bowl him over
01-31-2023, 07:43 PM
(01-31-2023, 06:17 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(01-30-2023, 05:31 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Jed York might want to think about creating some consequences for the Head Coach losing so many QBs to injury. Shanahan has to put a lot more emphasis on protecting them, obviously, because he clearly is not doing a good job in that department. It's not some crazy anomaly that they are getting hurt so frequently and severely. The way they are being taught and employed is leading to a higher frequency of significant injury than any other team.
This is parody, right?
BC
BC, you made my day (at least the sports forum part of it).
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
(01-31-2023, 06:17 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(01-30-2023, 05:31 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Jed York might want to think about creating some consequences for the Head Coach losing so many QBs to injury. Shanahan has to put a lot more emphasis on protecting them, obviously, because he clearly is not doing a good job in that department. It's not some crazy anomaly that they are getting hurt so frequently and severely. The way they are being taught and employed is leading to a higher frequency of significant injury than any other team.
This is parody, right?
BC
BC, you made my day (at least the sports forum part of it).
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
(01-31-2023, 07:43 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(01-31-2023, 06:17 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(01-30-2023, 05:31 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Jed York might want to think about creating some consequences for the Head Coach losing so many QBs to injury. Shanahan has to put a lot more emphasis on protecting them, obviously, because he clearly is not doing a good job in that department. It's not some crazy anomaly that they are getting hurt so frequently and severely. The way they are being taught and employed is leading to a higher frequency of significant injury than any other team.
This is parody, right?
BC
BC, you made my day (at least the sports forum part of it).
So, Niners at this point have Lance coming off an injury and Purdy who may or may not be ready come September. And will miss a lot of practice opportunities. I’m thinking they have to add a veteran QB. No offense to Josh Johnson, but he not it. I doubt they sign Brady or Rodgers. They can’t take the cap hit. That leaves a Colt McCoy type. A veteran who can come in and at least play at a minimum NFL level. Or, Kaepernick. Wouldn’t that be fun……
EDIT - I guess Brady retired. Again…..
(01-31-2023, 07:43 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(01-31-2023, 06:17 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(01-30-2023, 05:31 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Jed York might want to think about creating some consequences for the Head Coach losing so many QBs to injury. Shanahan has to put a lot more emphasis on protecting them, obviously, because he clearly is not doing a good job in that department. It's not some crazy anomaly that they are getting hurt so frequently and severely. The way they are being taught and employed is leading to a higher frequency of significant injury than any other team.
This is parody, right?
BC
BC, you made my day (at least the sports forum part of it).
So, Niners at this point have Lance coming off an injury and Purdy who may or may not be ready come September. And will miss a lot of practice opportunities. I’m thinking they have to add a veteran QB. No offense to Josh Johnson, but he not it. I doubt they sign Brady or Rodgers. They can’t take the cap hit. That leaves a Colt McCoy type. A veteran who can come in and at least play at a minimum NFL level. Or, Kaepernick. Wouldn’t that be fun……
EDIT - I guess Brady retired. Again…..
02-01-2023, 12:14 PM
(02-01-2023, 08:47 AM)lex24 Wrote:(01-31-2023, 07:43 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(01-31-2023, 06:17 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(01-30-2023, 05:31 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Jed York might want to think about creating some consequences for the Head Coach losing so many QBs to injury. Shanahan has to put a lot more emphasis on protecting them, obviously, because he clearly is not doing a good job in that department. It's not some crazy anomaly that they are getting hurt so frequently and severely. The way they are being taught and employed is leading to a higher frequency of significant injury than any other team.
This is parody, right?
BC
BC, you made my day (at least the sports forum part of it).
So, Niners at this point have Lance coming off an injury and Purdy who may or may not be ready come September. And will miss a lot of practice opportunities. I’m thinking they have to add a veteran QB. No offense to Josh Johnson, but he not it. I doubt they sign Brady or Rodgers. They can’t take the cap hit. That leaves a Colt McCoy type. A veteran who can come in and at least play at a minimum NFL level. Or, Kaepernick. Wouldn’t that be fun……
EDIT - I guess Brady retired. Again…..
At the conclusion of training camp, I think the 49er QBs will look like follows:
Trey Lance - QB 1
Brock Purdy - QB 2
Jimmy Garoppolo - starter for a second-division team. We can't afford him.
Josh Johnson - QB 4 on 90 man roster. Will never see the field again...
QB3 in the draft, or UDFA
Audaces fortuna iuvat
(02-01-2023, 08:47 AM)lex24 Wrote:(01-31-2023, 07:43 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(01-31-2023, 06:17 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(01-30-2023, 05:31 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Jed York might want to think about creating some consequences for the Head Coach losing so many QBs to injury. Shanahan has to put a lot more emphasis on protecting them, obviously, because he clearly is not doing a good job in that department. It's not some crazy anomaly that they are getting hurt so frequently and severely. The way they are being taught and employed is leading to a higher frequency of significant injury than any other team.
This is parody, right?
BC
BC, you made my day (at least the sports forum part of it).
So, Niners at this point have Lance coming off an injury and Purdy who may or may not be ready come September. And will miss a lot of practice opportunities. I’m thinking they have to add a veteran QB. No offense to Josh Johnson, but he not it. I doubt they sign Brady or Rodgers. They can’t take the cap hit. That leaves a Colt McCoy type. A veteran who can come in and at least play at a minimum NFL level. Or, Kaepernick. Wouldn’t that be fun……
EDIT - I guess Brady retired. Again…..
At the conclusion of training camp, I think the 49er QBs will look like follows:
Trey Lance - QB 1
Brock Purdy - QB 2
Jimmy Garoppolo - starter for a second-division team. We can't afford him.
Josh Johnson - QB 4 on 90 man roster. Will never see the field again...
QB3 in the draft, or UDFA
Audaces fortuna iuvat
02-01-2023, 12:18 PM
(This post was last modified: 02-01-2023, 12:45 PM by OutsiderFan.)
At the conclusion of training camp, I think the 49er QBs will look like follows:
Trey Lance - QB 1
Brock Purdy - QB 2
Jimmy Garoppolo - starter for a second-division team. We can't afford him.
Josh Johnson - QB 4 on 90 man roster. Will never see the field again...
QB3 in the draft, or UDFA
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There are tons of Free Agent QBs better than Josh Johnson who can be had for $2M or less to participate in OTAs and be a veteran backup. Might as well draft a QB with one of the many 2023 picks they will have.
Offseason
#1 Lance
#2 Vet
#3 Rookie
Season
#1 Purdy
#2 Lance
#3 Vet
Pretty doubtful the Niners can once again strike gold (pun intended) with a later round QB, but maybe they have a knack for finding them like they do getting QBs injured ;)
(This post was last modified: 02-01-2023, 12:45 PM by OutsiderFan.)
At the conclusion of training camp, I think the 49er QBs will look like follows:
Trey Lance - QB 1
Brock Purdy - QB 2
Jimmy Garoppolo - starter for a second-division team. We can't afford him.
Josh Johnson - QB 4 on 90 man roster. Will never see the field again...
QB3 in the draft, or UDFA
[/quote]
There are tons of Free Agent QBs better than Josh Johnson who can be had for $2M or less to participate in OTAs and be a veteran backup. Might as well draft a QB with one of the many 2023 picks they will have.
Offseason
#1 Lance
#2 Vet
#3 Rookie
Season
#1 Purdy
#2 Lance
#3 Vet
Pretty doubtful the Niners can once again strike gold (pun intended) with a later round QB, but maybe they have a knack for finding them like they do getting QBs injured ;)
02-01-2023, 04:10 PM
(02-01-2023, 12:14 PM)Mick Wrote:(02-01-2023, 12:18 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(02-01-2023, 12:14 PM)Mick Wrote:
At the conclusion of training camp, I think the 49er QBs will look like follows:
Trey Lance - QB 1
Brock Purdy - QB 2
Jimmy Garoppolo - starter for a second-division team. We can't afford him.
Josh Johnson - QB 4 on 90 man roster. Will never see the field again...
QB3 in the draft, or UDFA
There are tons of Free Agent QBs better than Josh Johnson who can be had for $2M or less to participate in OTAs and be a veteran backup. Might as well draft a QB with one of the many 2023 picks they will have.
Offseason
#1 Lance
#2 Vet
#3 Rookie
Season
#1 Purdy
#2 Lance
#3 Vet
Pretty doubtful the Niners can once again strike gold (pun intended) with a later round QB, but maybe they have a knack for finding them like they do getting QBs injured ;)
There's a bunch of ex-SF free agent quarterbacks. I think Jeff Driskel, Nate Sudfeld, Blaine Gabbert, Nick Mullens and C. J. Beathard can all be had for $3 mms. or less... ;)
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(02-01-2023, 12:14 PM)Mick Wrote:(02-01-2023, 12:18 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(02-01-2023, 12:14 PM)Mick Wrote:
At the conclusion of training camp, I think the 49er QBs will look like follows:
Trey Lance - QB 1
Brock Purdy - QB 2
Jimmy Garoppolo - starter for a second-division team. We can't afford him.
Josh Johnson - QB 4 on 90 man roster. Will never see the field again...
QB3 in the draft, or UDFA
There are tons of Free Agent QBs better than Josh Johnson who can be had for $2M or less to participate in OTAs and be a veteran backup. Might as well draft a QB with one of the many 2023 picks they will have.
Offseason
#1 Lance
#2 Vet
#3 Rookie
Season
#1 Purdy
#2 Lance
#3 Vet
Pretty doubtful the Niners can once again strike gold (pun intended) with a later round QB, but maybe they have a knack for finding them like they do getting QBs injured ;)
There's a bunch of ex-SF free agent quarterbacks. I think Jeff Driskel, Nate Sudfeld, Blaine Gabbert, Nick Mullens and C. J. Beathard can all be had for $3 mms. or less... ;)
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02-01-2023, 08:37 PM
If we need a seasoned veteran who can teach Lance to emulate his success out of NDSU, let's get Carson Wentz!!!!11!!11!
If we need a seasoned veteran who can teach Lance to emulate his success out of NDSU, let's get Carson Wentz!!!!11!!11!
(02-01-2023, 04:10 PM)Mick Wrote:(02-01-2023, 12:14 PM)Mick Wrote:(02-01-2023, 12:18 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(02-01-2023, 12:14 PM)Mick Wrote:
At the conclusion of training camp, I think the 49er QBs will look like follows:
Trey Lance - QB 1
Brock Purdy - QB 2
Jimmy Garoppolo - starter for a second-division team. We can't afford him.
Josh Johnson - QB 4 on 90 man roster. Will never see the field again...
QB3 in the draft, or UDFA
There are tons of Free Agent QBs better than Josh Johnson who can be had for $2M or less to participate in OTAs and be a veteran backup. Might as well draft a QB with one of the many 2023 picks they will have.
Offseason
#1 Lance
#2 Vet
#3 Rookie
Season
#1 Purdy
#2 Lance
#3 Vet
Pretty doubtful the Niners can once again strike gold (pun intended) with a later round QB, but maybe they have a knack for finding them like they do getting QBs injured ;)
There's a bunch of ex-SF free agent quarterbacks. I think Jeff Driskel, Nate Sudfeld, Blaine Gabbert, Nick Mullens and C. J. Beathard can all be had for $3 mms. or less... ;)
No on all of the above. Flacco. Bridgewater. Heck I’d even see if Fitzpatrick would come out of retirement. I prefer a long time veteran that can step in and play at a moderate level, but certainly isn’t anybody who is going to be challenging for any sort of a long-term job. The list you mention to me doesn’t fit the moderate level test. with the possible exception, given all the 49ers weapons of Blaine Gabbert. Pending a physical, Bridgewater would be my choice
(02-01-2023, 04:10 PM)Mick Wrote:(02-01-2023, 12:14 PM)Mick Wrote:(02-01-2023, 12:18 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(02-01-2023, 12:14 PM)Mick Wrote:
At the conclusion of training camp, I think the 49er QBs will look like follows:
Trey Lance - QB 1
Brock Purdy - QB 2
Jimmy Garoppolo - starter for a second-division team. We can't afford him.
Josh Johnson - QB 4 on 90 man roster. Will never see the field again...
QB3 in the draft, or UDFA
There are tons of Free Agent QBs better than Josh Johnson who can be had for $2M or less to participate in OTAs and be a veteran backup. Might as well draft a QB with one of the many 2023 picks they will have.
Offseason
#1 Lance
#2 Vet
#3 Rookie
Season
#1 Purdy
#2 Lance
#3 Vet
Pretty doubtful the Niners can once again strike gold (pun intended) with a later round QB, but maybe they have a knack for finding them like they do getting QBs injured ;)
There's a bunch of ex-SF free agent quarterbacks. I think Jeff Driskel, Nate Sudfeld, Blaine Gabbert, Nick Mullens and C. J. Beathard can all be had for $3 mms. or less... ;)
No on all of the above. Flacco. Bridgewater. Heck I’d even see if Fitzpatrick would come out of retirement. I prefer a long time veteran that can step in and play at a moderate level, but certainly isn’t anybody who is going to be challenging for any sort of a long-term job. The list you mention to me doesn’t fit the moderate level test. with the possible exception, given all the 49ers weapons of Blaine Gabbert. Pending a physical, Bridgewater would be my choice
02-02-2023, 11:25 AM
(02-02-2023, 08:59 AM)lex24 Wrote:(02-01-2023, 04:10 PM)Mick Wrote:(02-01-2023, 12:14 PM)Mick Wrote:(02-01-2023, 12:18 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(02-01-2023, 12:14 PM)Mick Wrote:
At the conclusion of training camp, I think the 49er QBs will look like follows:
Trey Lance - QB 1
Brock Purdy - QB 2
Jimmy Garoppolo - starter for a second-division team. We can't afford him.
Josh Johnson - QB 4 on 90 man roster. Will never see the field again...
QB3 in the draft, or UDFA
There are tons of Free Agent QBs better than Josh Johnson who can be had for $2M or less to participate in OTAs and be a veteran backup. Might as well draft a QB with one of the many 2023 picks they will have.
Offseason
#1 Lance
#2 Vet
#3 Rookie
Season
#1 Purdy
#2 Lance
#3 Vet
Pretty doubtful the Niners can once again strike gold (pun intended) with a later round QB, but maybe they have a knack for finding them like they do getting QBs injured ;)
There's a bunch of ex-SF free agent quarterbacks. I think Jeff Driskel, Nate Sudfeld, Blaine Gabbert, Nick Mullens and C. J. Beathard can all be had for $3 mms. or less... ;)
No on all of the above. Flacco. Bridgewater. Heck I’d even see if Fitzpatrick would come out of retirement. I prefer a long time veteran that can step in and play at a moderate level, but certainly isn’t anybody who is going to be challenging for any sort of a long-term job. The list you mention to me doesn’t fit the moderate level test. with the possible exception, given all the 49ers weapons of Blaine Gabbert. Pending a physical, Bridgewater would be my choice
Given their lack of success, I thought it was obvious that I was being sarcastic... Sometimes sarcasm doesn't translate.
Bridgewater has the highest rating and QBR of those listed. Mullens is also pretty good, Beathard is third best. None of them remotely approaching Garoppolo or Purdy for rating or QBR. And FWLIW, Trey Lance's career rating and QBR isn't quite as good as Teddy Bridgewater's last season. Lance actually did better in 2021 than in 2022.
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(02-02-2023, 08:59 AM)lex24 Wrote:(02-01-2023, 04:10 PM)Mick Wrote:(02-01-2023, 12:14 PM)Mick Wrote:(02-01-2023, 12:18 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(02-01-2023, 12:14 PM)Mick Wrote:
At the conclusion of training camp, I think the 49er QBs will look like follows:
Trey Lance - QB 1
Brock Purdy - QB 2
Jimmy Garoppolo - starter for a second-division team. We can't afford him.
Josh Johnson - QB 4 on 90 man roster. Will never see the field again...
QB3 in the draft, or UDFA
There are tons of Free Agent QBs better than Josh Johnson who can be had for $2M or less to participate in OTAs and be a veteran backup. Might as well draft a QB with one of the many 2023 picks they will have.
Offseason
#1 Lance
#2 Vet
#3 Rookie
Season
#1 Purdy
#2 Lance
#3 Vet
Pretty doubtful the Niners can once again strike gold (pun intended) with a later round QB, but maybe they have a knack for finding them like they do getting QBs injured ;)
There's a bunch of ex-SF free agent quarterbacks. I think Jeff Driskel, Nate Sudfeld, Blaine Gabbert, Nick Mullens and C. J. Beathard can all be had for $3 mms. or less... ;)
No on all of the above. Flacco. Bridgewater. Heck I’d even see if Fitzpatrick would come out of retirement. I prefer a long time veteran that can step in and play at a moderate level, but certainly isn’t anybody who is going to be challenging for any sort of a long-term job. The list you mention to me doesn’t fit the moderate level test. with the possible exception, given all the 49ers weapons of Blaine Gabbert. Pending a physical, Bridgewater would be my choice
Given their lack of success, I thought it was obvious that I was being sarcastic... Sometimes sarcasm doesn't translate.
Bridgewater has the highest rating and QBR of those listed. Mullens is also pretty good, Beathard is third best. None of them remotely approaching Garoppolo or Purdy for rating or QBR. And FWLIW, Trey Lance's career rating and QBR isn't quite as good as Teddy Bridgewater's last season. Lance actually did better in 2021 than in 2022.
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02-02-2023, 02:12 PM
(02-02-2023, 11:25 AM)Mick Wrote:(02-02-2023, 08:59 AM)lex24 Wrote:(02-01-2023, 04:10 PM)Mick Wrote:(02-01-2023, 12:14 PM)Mick Wrote:(02-01-2023, 12:18 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: At the conclusion of training camp, I think the 49er QBs will look like follows:
Trey Lance - QB 1
Brock Purdy - QB 2
Jimmy Garoppolo - starter for a second-division team. We can't afford him.
Josh Johnson - QB 4 on 90 man roster. Will never see the field again...
QB3 in the draft, or UDFA
There are tons of Free Agent QBs better than Josh Johnson who can be had for $2M or less to participate in OTAs and be a veteran backup. Might as well draft a QB with one of the many 2023 picks they will have.
Offseason
#1 Lance
#2 Vet
#3 Rookie
Season
#1 Purdy
#2 Lance
#3 Vet
Pretty doubtful the Niners can once again strike gold (pun intended) with a later round QB, but maybe they have a knack for finding them like they do getting QBs injured ;)
There's a bunch of ex-SF free agent quarterbacks. I think Jeff Driskel, Nate Sudfeld, Blaine Gabbert, Nick Mullens and C. J. Beathard can all be had for $3 mms. or less... ;)
No on all of the above. Flacco. Bridgewater. Heck I’d even see if Fitzpatrick would come out of retirement. I prefer a long time veteran that can step in and play at a moderate level, but certainly isn’t anybody who is going to be challenging for any sort of a long-term job. The list you mention to me doesn’t fit the moderate level test. with the possible exception, given all the 49ers weapons of Blaine Gabbert. Pending a physical, Bridgewater would be my choice
Given their lack of success, I thought it was obvious that I was being sarcastic... Sometimes sarcasm doesn't translate.
Bridgewater has the highest rating and QBR of those listed. Mullens is also pretty good, Beathard is third best. None of them remotely approaching Garoppolo or Purdy for rating or QBR. And FWLIW, Trey Lance's career rating and QBR isn't quite as good as Teddy Bridgewater's last season. Lance actually did better in 2021 than in 2022.
Even though Lance only started 2 games in 2021, he played in 6 total and had 71 passing attempts. Even though he also started 2 games in 2022, one of those games was in a monsoon, and the other he was injured in the first quarter. Therefore, it seems appropriate to completely toss out everything Lance did on the field in 2022 amongst his 31 pass attempts, and act like it never happened in terms of charting his growth, given the circumstances. Just not equitable enough to be meaningful.
(02-02-2023, 11:25 AM)Mick Wrote:(02-02-2023, 08:59 AM)lex24 Wrote:(02-01-2023, 04:10 PM)Mick Wrote:(02-01-2023, 12:14 PM)Mick Wrote:(02-01-2023, 12:18 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: At the conclusion of training camp, I think the 49er QBs will look like follows:
Trey Lance - QB 1
Brock Purdy - QB 2
Jimmy Garoppolo - starter for a second-division team. We can't afford him.
Josh Johnson - QB 4 on 90 man roster. Will never see the field again...
QB3 in the draft, or UDFA
There are tons of Free Agent QBs better than Josh Johnson who can be had for $2M or less to participate in OTAs and be a veteran backup. Might as well draft a QB with one of the many 2023 picks they will have.
Offseason
#1 Lance
#2 Vet
#3 Rookie
Season
#1 Purdy
#2 Lance
#3 Vet
Pretty doubtful the Niners can once again strike gold (pun intended) with a later round QB, but maybe they have a knack for finding them like they do getting QBs injured ;)
There's a bunch of ex-SF free agent quarterbacks. I think Jeff Driskel, Nate Sudfeld, Blaine Gabbert, Nick Mullens and C. J. Beathard can all be had for $3 mms. or less... ;)
No on all of the above. Flacco. Bridgewater. Heck I’d even see if Fitzpatrick would come out of retirement. I prefer a long time veteran that can step in and play at a moderate level, but certainly isn’t anybody who is going to be challenging for any sort of a long-term job. The list you mention to me doesn’t fit the moderate level test. with the possible exception, given all the 49ers weapons of Blaine Gabbert. Pending a physical, Bridgewater would be my choice
Given their lack of success, I thought it was obvious that I was being sarcastic... Sometimes sarcasm doesn't translate.
Bridgewater has the highest rating and QBR of those listed. Mullens is also pretty good, Beathard is third best. None of them remotely approaching Garoppolo or Purdy for rating or QBR. And FWLIW, Trey Lance's career rating and QBR isn't quite as good as Teddy Bridgewater's last season. Lance actually did better in 2021 than in 2022.
Even though Lance only started 2 games in 2021, he played in 6 total and had 71 passing attempts. Even though he also started 2 games in 2022, one of those games was in a monsoon, and the other he was injured in the first quarter. Therefore, it seems appropriate to completely toss out everything Lance did on the field in 2022 amongst his 31 pass attempts, and act like it never happened in terms of charting his growth, given the circumstances. Just not equitable enough to be meaningful.
There is no basis for any of us to “evaluate “ Lance. He hasn’t played enough. Period. Perhaps we can look to a comparison in terms of his physical attributes. To me, it’s Josh Allen. Similar in size, arm strength and running ability. Maybe not quite as dynamic across those traits as Allen. But he’s probably the best comparison.
Early in his career, there were a lot of GMs that felt Allen would not be a top tier QB. Accuracy being the key issue. He worked and improved significantly on that score.
Lance has a higher learning curve cause he played so little in College. I hate to say this, but one question is if he’s the football version of Wiseman. Another gifted athlete with painfully limited experience pre-NBA and then a slew of injuries hampering his development.
2023 will be, I believe, the defining season for Lance as a 49er. If he doesn’t take the reins and show significant improvement, I doubt he ever will be the Niners answer.
Even before Purdy’s injury I felt that if Lance developed, he’d win the job. If not at the beginning of the season, then in season. There is simply too large a gap in their physical ability. And while I get the position involves more “intangibles” than perhaps any other position in team sports, in most instances when there is a large gap in physical ability, the better athlete wins.
Obviously the best thing that could happen is Lance improves, Purdy is healthy by July and they have a true competition. Shanahan might go crazy (if you heard his press conference you got a hint of how tired, upset and disappointed he was). But in the end, I suspect a heated competition between two young QB’s is exactly what he wants. I also bet he wants Lance to show he’s ready to take the bull by the horns and be the guy. They didn’t trade 3 first rounders for Purdy.
As an aside, I wonder what NFL folks are thinking about the long term viability of “dual threat” QB’s. Her is a list is srarting NFL QBs that I consider “Dual threat “. (I leave out quarterbacks like Mahomes, and to a lesser extent Lawrence, who are guys that can and do run. But generally look to pass first and run only if they have to. And even then, Mahomes got hurt. They use their legs more to extend plays. Feel free to add if I leave anyone out:
Jackson, Murray. Lance, Allen, Hurts, Daniel Jones, Fields, Everyone except Jones got hurt. Allen played through his injury. The other side of the equation is how dynamic these guys are. And given the way, the college game is now played, more and more dual threat quarterbacks are gonna come to the NFL. Keeping them healthy over a 17 game season and playoffs is, to put it mildly, a challenge.
Early in his career, there were a lot of GMs that felt Allen would not be a top tier QB. Accuracy being the key issue. He worked and improved significantly on that score.
Lance has a higher learning curve cause he played so little in College. I hate to say this, but one question is if he’s the football version of Wiseman. Another gifted athlete with painfully limited experience pre-NBA and then a slew of injuries hampering his development.
2023 will be, I believe, the defining season for Lance as a 49er. If he doesn’t take the reins and show significant improvement, I doubt he ever will be the Niners answer.
Even before Purdy’s injury I felt that if Lance developed, he’d win the job. If not at the beginning of the season, then in season. There is simply too large a gap in their physical ability. And while I get the position involves more “intangibles” than perhaps any other position in team sports, in most instances when there is a large gap in physical ability, the better athlete wins.
Obviously the best thing that could happen is Lance improves, Purdy is healthy by July and they have a true competition. Shanahan might go crazy (if you heard his press conference you got a hint of how tired, upset and disappointed he was). But in the end, I suspect a heated competition between two young QB’s is exactly what he wants. I also bet he wants Lance to show he’s ready to take the bull by the horns and be the guy. They didn’t trade 3 first rounders for Purdy.
As an aside, I wonder what NFL folks are thinking about the long term viability of “dual threat” QB’s. Her is a list is srarting NFL QBs that I consider “Dual threat “. (I leave out quarterbacks like Mahomes, and to a lesser extent Lawrence, who are guys that can and do run. But generally look to pass first and run only if they have to. And even then, Mahomes got hurt. They use their legs more to extend plays. Feel free to add if I leave anyone out:
Jackson, Murray. Lance, Allen, Hurts, Daniel Jones, Fields, Everyone except Jones got hurt. Allen played through his injury. The other side of the equation is how dynamic these guys are. And given the way, the college game is now played, more and more dual threat quarterbacks are gonna come to the NFL. Keeping them healthy over a 17 game season and playoffs is, to put it mildly, a challenge.
There is no basis for any of us to “evaluate “ Lance. He hasn’t played enough. Period. Perhaps we can look to a comparison in terms of his physical attributes. To me, it’s Josh Allen. Similar in size, arm strength and running ability. Maybe not quite as dynamic across those traits as Allen. But he’s probably the best comparison.
Early in his career, there were a lot of GMs that felt Allen would not be a top tier QB. Accuracy being the key issue. He worked and improved significantly on that score.
Lance has a higher learning curve cause he played so little in College. I hate to say this, but one question is if he’s the football version of Wiseman. Another gifted athlete with painfully limited experience pre-NBA and then a slew of injuries hampering his development.
2023 will be, I believe, the defining season for Lance as a 49er. If he doesn’t take the reins and show significant improvement, I doubt he ever will be the Niners answer.
Even before Purdy’s injury I felt that if Lance developed, he’d win the job. If not at the beginning of the season, then in season. There is simply too large a gap in their physical ability. And while I get the position involves more “intangibles” than perhaps any other position in team sports, in most instances when there is a large gap in physical ability, the better athlete wins.
Obviously the best thing that could happen is Lance improves, Purdy is healthy by July and they have a true competition. Shanahan might go crazy (if you heard his press conference you got a hint of how tired, upset and disappointed he was). But in the end, I suspect a heated competition between two young QB’s is exactly what he wants. I also bet he wants Lance to show he’s ready to take the bull by the horns and be the guy. They didn’t trade 3 first rounders for Purdy.
As an aside, I wonder what NFL folks are thinking about the long term viability of “dual threat” QB’s. Her is a list is srarting NFL QBs that I consider “Dual threat “. (I leave out quarterbacks like Mahomes, and to a lesser extent Lawrence, who are guys that can and do run. But generally look to pass first and run only if they have to. And even then, Mahomes got hurt. They use their legs more to extend plays. Feel free to add if I leave anyone out:
Jackson, Murray. Lance, Allen, Hurts, Daniel Jones, Fields, Everyone except Jones got hurt. Allen played through his injury. The other side of the equation is how dynamic these guys are. And given the way, the college game is now played, more and more dual threat quarterbacks are gonna come to the NFL. Keeping them healthy over a 17 game season and playoffs is, to put it mildly, a challenge.
Early in his career, there were a lot of GMs that felt Allen would not be a top tier QB. Accuracy being the key issue. He worked and improved significantly on that score.
Lance has a higher learning curve cause he played so little in College. I hate to say this, but one question is if he’s the football version of Wiseman. Another gifted athlete with painfully limited experience pre-NBA and then a slew of injuries hampering his development.
2023 will be, I believe, the defining season for Lance as a 49er. If he doesn’t take the reins and show significant improvement, I doubt he ever will be the Niners answer.
Even before Purdy’s injury I felt that if Lance developed, he’d win the job. If not at the beginning of the season, then in season. There is simply too large a gap in their physical ability. And while I get the position involves more “intangibles” than perhaps any other position in team sports, in most instances when there is a large gap in physical ability, the better athlete wins.
Obviously the best thing that could happen is Lance improves, Purdy is healthy by July and they have a true competition. Shanahan might go crazy (if you heard his press conference you got a hint of how tired, upset and disappointed he was). But in the end, I suspect a heated competition between two young QB’s is exactly what he wants. I also bet he wants Lance to show he’s ready to take the bull by the horns and be the guy. They didn’t trade 3 first rounders for Purdy.
As an aside, I wonder what NFL folks are thinking about the long term viability of “dual threat” QB’s. Her is a list is srarting NFL QBs that I consider “Dual threat “. (I leave out quarterbacks like Mahomes, and to a lesser extent Lawrence, who are guys that can and do run. But generally look to pass first and run only if they have to. And even then, Mahomes got hurt. They use their legs more to extend plays. Feel free to add if I leave anyone out:
Jackson, Murray. Lance, Allen, Hurts, Daniel Jones, Fields, Everyone except Jones got hurt. Allen played through his injury. The other side of the equation is how dynamic these guys are. And given the way, the college game is now played, more and more dual threat quarterbacks are gonna come to the NFL. Keeping them healthy over a 17 game season and playoffs is, to put it mildly, a challenge.
02-03-2023, 11:52 AM
(02-03-2023, 09:53 AM)lex24 Wrote: Jackson, Murray. Lance, Allen, Hurts, Daniel Jones, Fields, Everyone except Jones got hurt. Allen played through his injury. The other side of the equation is how dynamic these guys are. And given the way, the college game is now played, more and more dual threat quarterbacks are gonna come to the NFL. Keeping them healthy over a 17 game season and playoffs is, to put it mildly, a challenge.
The Niners have shown that there will be a premium for capable back-up QBs. Fivethirtyeight had a recent piece about how the fact that the Eagles have overdrafted QBs has helped them:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how...rterbacks/
Quote:Perhaps the world can be forgiven for not imagining a future where Wentz would lose his job, or that just two short years later, Hurts would lead the Eagles to the NFC championship game. After all, Wentz was coming off a solid year in 2019 (6.7 YPA, 27 touchdowns, seven interceptions for a 62.8 QBR) and had led the team to the wild card while staying healthy. Perhaps more importantly, he’d just signed a $128 million extension the previous June. Most viewed Hurts as either an expensive insurance policy taken out against another Wentz injury, or an upscale version of the New Orleans Saints’ do-everything gadget player Taysom Hill. But no one gave the notion that Wentz could suddenly turn into a pumpkin any real credence … until it happened the very next season. In 2020, Wentz led the league in sacks (50), tied for the lead in interceptions (15) and ranked 28th in QBR. By the end of the year, Hurts was starting; soon after the season, coach Doug Pederson was fired and Wentz was traded.
BC
(02-03-2023, 09:53 AM)lex24 Wrote: Jackson, Murray. Lance, Allen, Hurts, Daniel Jones, Fields, Everyone except Jones got hurt. Allen played through his injury. The other side of the equation is how dynamic these guys are. And given the way, the college game is now played, more and more dual threat quarterbacks are gonna come to the NFL. Keeping them healthy over a 17 game season and playoffs is, to put it mildly, a challenge.
The Niners have shown that there will be a premium for capable back-up QBs. Fivethirtyeight had a recent piece about how the fact that the Eagles have overdrafted QBs has helped them:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how...rterbacks/
Quote:Perhaps the world can be forgiven for not imagining a future where Wentz would lose his job, or that just two short years later, Hurts would lead the Eagles to the NFC championship game. After all, Wentz was coming off a solid year in 2019 (6.7 YPA, 27 touchdowns, seven interceptions for a 62.8 QBR) and had led the team to the wild card while staying healthy. Perhaps more importantly, he’d just signed a $128 million extension the previous June. Most viewed Hurts as either an expensive insurance policy taken out against another Wentz injury, or an upscale version of the New Orleans Saints’ do-everything gadget player Taysom Hill. But no one gave the notion that Wentz could suddenly turn into a pumpkin any real credence … until it happened the very next season. In 2020, Wentz led the league in sacks (50), tied for the lead in interceptions (15) and ranked 28th in QBR. By the end of the year, Hurts was starting; soon after the season, coach Doug Pederson was fired and Wentz was traded.
BC
(02-03-2023, 11:52 AM)BostonCard Wrote:(02-03-2023, 09:53 AM)lex24 Wrote: Jackson, Murray. Lance, Allen, Hurts, Daniel Jones, Fields, Everyone except Jones got hurt. Allen played through his injury. The other side of the equation is how dynamic these guys are. And given the way, the college game is now played, more and more dual threat quarterbacks are gonna come to the NFL. Keeping them healthy over a 17 game season and playoffs is, to put it mildly, a challenge.
The Niners have shown that there will be a premium for capable back-up QBs. Fivethirtyeight had a recent piece about how the fact that the Eagles have overdrafted QBs has helped them:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how...rterbacks/
Quote:Perhaps the world can be forgiven for not imagining a future where Wentz would lose his job, or that just two short years later, Hurts would lead the Eagles to the NFC championship game. After all, Wentz was coming off a solid year in 2019 (6.7 YPA, 27 touchdowns, seven interceptions for a 62.8 QBR) and had led the team to the wild card while staying healthy. Perhaps more importantly, he’d just signed a $128 million extension the previous June. Most viewed Hurts as either an expensive insurance policy taken out against another Wentz injury, or an upscale version of the New Orleans Saints’ do-everything gadget player Taysom Hill. But no one gave the notion that Wentz could suddenly turn into a pumpkin any real credence … until it happened the very next season. In 2020, Wentz led the league in sacks (50), tied for the lead in interceptions (15) and ranked 28th in QBR. By the end of the year, Hurts was starting; soon after the season, coach Doug Pederson was fired and Wentz was traded.
BC
Wentz is a strange case. Having a great rookie year gets hurt they go on to win the Super Bowl and he’s never the same. Yes I’m sure part of it was injury. But the rest of it’s just really hard to fathom. He’s somewhat gifted athletically, but just doesn’t seem to have whatever it takes. I have seen some indication that he’s not particularly well, regarded by his teammates – which is something of a death-knell for a quarterback.
Correction – it was his second season. He did have a solid first season as well.
(02-03-2023, 11:52 AM)BostonCard Wrote:(02-03-2023, 09:53 AM)lex24 Wrote: Jackson, Murray. Lance, Allen, Hurts, Daniel Jones, Fields, Everyone except Jones got hurt. Allen played through his injury. The other side of the equation is how dynamic these guys are. And given the way, the college game is now played, more and more dual threat quarterbacks are gonna come to the NFL. Keeping them healthy over a 17 game season and playoffs is, to put it mildly, a challenge.
The Niners have shown that there will be a premium for capable back-up QBs. Fivethirtyeight had a recent piece about how the fact that the Eagles have overdrafted QBs has helped them:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how...rterbacks/
Quote:Perhaps the world can be forgiven for not imagining a future where Wentz would lose his job, or that just two short years later, Hurts would lead the Eagles to the NFC championship game. After all, Wentz was coming off a solid year in 2019 (6.7 YPA, 27 touchdowns, seven interceptions for a 62.8 QBR) and had led the team to the wild card while staying healthy. Perhaps more importantly, he’d just signed a $128 million extension the previous June. Most viewed Hurts as either an expensive insurance policy taken out against another Wentz injury, or an upscale version of the New Orleans Saints’ do-everything gadget player Taysom Hill. But no one gave the notion that Wentz could suddenly turn into a pumpkin any real credence … until it happened the very next season. In 2020, Wentz led the league in sacks (50), tied for the lead in interceptions (15) and ranked 28th in QBR. By the end of the year, Hurts was starting; soon after the season, coach Doug Pederson was fired and Wentz was traded.
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Wentz is a strange case. Having a great rookie year gets hurt they go on to win the Super Bowl and he’s never the same. Yes I’m sure part of it was injury. But the rest of it’s just really hard to fathom. He’s somewhat gifted athletically, but just doesn’t seem to have whatever it takes. I have seen some indication that he’s not particularly well, regarded by his teammates – which is something of a death-knell for a quarterback.
Correction – it was his second season. He did have a solid first season as well.
02-03-2023, 03:10 PM
Wentz aside, I think the article makes the case that having found a potential "franchise QB", it may be worth it for an organization to continue drafting QBs so that you can have a starter in waiting if your "franchise QB" has an injury or his success turns out to have been a mirage.
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Wentz aside, I think the article makes the case that having found a potential "franchise QB", it may be worth it for an organization to continue drafting QBs so that you can have a starter in waiting if your "franchise QB" has an injury or his success turns out to have been a mirage.
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02-04-2023, 10:28 AM
(02-03-2023, 03:10 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Wentz aside, I think the article makes the case that having found a potential "franchise QB", it may be worth it for an organization to continue drafting QBs so that you can have a starter in waiting if your "franchise QB" has an injury or his success turns out to have been a mirage.
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Agree. Money against the cap becomes an issue, of course.
(02-03-2023, 03:10 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Wentz aside, I think the article makes the case that having found a potential "franchise QB", it may be worth it for an organization to continue drafting QBs so that you can have a starter in waiting if your "franchise QB" has an injury or his success turns out to have been a mirage.
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Agree. Money against the cap becomes an issue, of course.
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